[00:52] valhalla is my idea of heaven [00:53] ditto man [00:53] Yea, Thor and Jörmungandr will kill eachother during ragnarok [00:53] sounds kinda gay [00:53] lot of guys hanging around? fightin? wheres the peace? [00:53] wheres the POINT? [00:53] peace? [00:53] there is none [00:53] Rape the village plunder the women [00:53] thats your idea of heaven? [00:53] at night when they drink :) [00:53] wait... [00:53] peace is boring [00:53] youre a connisseur of it of course [00:54] yea which is why the cold war was the most boring war yet [00:54] practicing and honing ones skills against the best warriors of time [00:54] not true [00:54] vietnam happened, as did cuba [00:54] awesome [00:54] not part of cold war rave [00:54] uh [00:54] yes [00:54] cuba part of cold war [00:54] yes it was mykalwane [00:54] cuba very boring [00:54] both were during the cold war [00:54] * rave|away history major [00:54] :) [00:55] vietnam didnt directly relate to cold war [00:55] * Zeukran is going to be a history major [00:55] it happened during the cold war [00:55] >.> [00:55] but was not part of the cold war [00:55] <.< [00:55] and both fouigth against each other [00:55] russians and western allies [00:55] just not openly [00:55] not at first [00:55] the USSR backed up the vietcong [00:55] and even sent some troops [00:55] just like with Korea [00:55] ok wasn't the cold war and the vietcong much like how the war on terrision and the war on iraq are different but similar [00:55] because we didnt back the vietcong [00:56] no, the USSR did [00:56] instead we chose to back the french [00:56] the vietcong asked for our help [00:56] they were our allies in ww2 [00:56] we chose the french over the viet [00:56] right [00:56] -->| silver-snake (~silver_sn@Rizon-EEA7389A.nsw.bigpond.net.au) has joined #anime-pulse [00:56] =-= Mode #anime-pulse +v silver-snake by faith|away [00:56] so they turned to who would help them [00:56] and that war china [00:56] was china [00:56] and then it became USA V cietcong and elements of USSR [00:56] and china [00:57] east v west right there [00:57] but it wasnt part of the cold war [00:57] see this is why i won't major in history confuses the hell out of me [00:57] why wasnt it, batou [00:57] enlighten me [00:57] it was never about the communists [00:57] it was [00:57] Domino Theory [00:58] the communist become involved and they became a convienient scape goat of an excuse for us to keep fighting [00:58] Johnson and USA feared communism spreading from vietnam to cambodia and laos and the rest of the east [00:58] thats why they got invovled in the first place [00:58] vietnam was about vietnam wanting freedom from france [00:58] thats how it started [00:58] but it *became* about ideology [00:58] -->| OvrKill (~kyle.alte@9D20CEC8.A3556EA5.F39C8CF9.IP) has joined #anime-pulse [00:58] =-= Mode #anime-pulse +v OvrKill by faith|away [00:58] USA trying to prevent the communists from taking control of all of vietnam and spreading [00:58] wb OVerkill [00:58] |<-- Destrucci has left irc.rizon.org () [00:58] and thier only way of gaining that freedom was by aligning themselves with a major power [00:58] it didnt even when they lost though [00:59] the only major power that would back them was the commies [00:59] they didnt want to become communist [00:59] but it was to them a better choice than what they had at the time [01:00] youre clearly versed in what started the war [01:00] just not in the thing as a whole [01:00] the people of vietnam never cared on wit about communism [01:00] the vietcong did when they started getting backing from China [01:01] and when the USA started dropping napalm it became a tad more popular [01:01] the rebels got more sympathy [01:01] no they only cared that they were being backed by someone [01:01] explain [01:01] it may have taken hold in the country [01:01] but at the time [01:01] it was merely a tool that they could wield [01:01] yes [01:02] hence it becamse western powers V communist rebels [01:02] they labeleld themselves communist [01:02] allied themselves with communists [01:02] and pwned the USA [01:02] there was no communist revolt in vietnam like the other communist contries [01:02] the vietcong drove back the USA and took over the whole country [01:02] there was a revolution in that [01:02] yep [01:02] or invasion [01:02] it wasnt qwuite as ideological [01:02] * mykalwane leaves in confusion [01:02] but it happened [01:02] but not a revolution for communism, a revolution away from imperial rule [01:03] the end result? vietnam became communist country [01:03] communism just happened to find a home there [01:03] but it was not part of the cold war [01:03] |<-- mykalwane has left irc.rizon.org (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]) [01:03] if anything [01:03] what dfo you mean, wasnt part? [01:03] it acted as a bit of a relief valve from the cold war [01:04] it was one of the biggest parts OF the cold war [01:04] it was one of the damned hot points of it, evem [01:04] the cold war was between the US and russia and its allies [01:04] no [01:04] russia for the most part didnt want to be involve in vietnam [01:04] it was between the USA and communism [01:04] all forms [01:04] wasnt based on country, on ideology [01:04] that is the retoric that they spewed to the country [01:05] yes [01:05] because that *was* the prime concern of the US government [01:05] russia never directly intervened in vietnam [01:05] insofar as historians can gather [01:05] not openly [01:05] but they aided the troops and sent some of their own [01:05] because it was too much risk of it carrying over to europe [01:06] almost all support came from china who didnt care about what happened in europe [01:06] no, but the USA cared about southern vietnam being takenover by communist forces [01:06] i.e. [01:06] the chinese-backed vietcong [01:06] who were associating themselves with the communists [01:06] |<-- chibi_wolf has left irc.rizon.org (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:06] yes [01:06] -->| chibi_wolf (~Batou@Rizon-30CECDBA.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #anime-pulse [01:06] =-= Mode #anime-pulse +ao chibi_wolf chibi_wolf by ChanServ [01:06] =-= Mode #anime-pulse +v chibi_wolf by faith|away [01:06] stupid connection [01:07] [01:06] almost all support came from china who didnt care about what happened in europe [01:06] no, but the USA cared about southern vietnam being takenover by communist forces [01:06] i.e. [01:06] the chinese-backed vietcong [01:06] who were associating themselves with the communists [01:06] |<-- chibi_wolf has left irc.rizon.org (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:06] yes [01:07] just bringing ya back to speed [01:07] we only cared because france asked us to care [01:07] the USA didnt give a crap about france [01:08] and after france left, we just couldnt admit we were wrong [01:08] they cared about losing one asian country to communism [01:08] and having it spread across all of asian [01:08] that was why we went in [01:08] the official pretext (underline official) was france [01:08] the french quickly came to not matter [01:08] the USA gave them equipment and financial backing at first [01:09] but when the french were getting driven out, the USA stepped in personally [01:09] using the Gulf of Tonkin incident as another pretext to get congress' permission [01:09] too much to read [01:09] =-= Red_Alchemist|afk is now known as Red_Alchemist [01:09] maybe, but neither side wanted a conflict of west vs communism [01:09] o hell no [01:09] not since korea was still hot [01:09] and both sides had nukes [01:10] so what? thats why the chinese were covert while the USA was open in being nvolved [01:10] it was one of the biggest events of the cold war [01:10] a major defeat for the USA by communism, in terms of propaganda at the very least [01:11] Why is the US obsessed with being up in everybody's business? [01:11] seriously, though [01:11] -->| Cheza-chan (~thara209@E26F90F.3C9656A7.DD1DBC47.IP) has joined #anime-pulse [01:11] =-= Mode #anime-pulse +v Cheza-chan by faith|away [01:11] because people are increadibly stupid [01:11] was that the end? [01:11] =-= Cheza-chan is now known as Cheza [01:11] wb cheza [01:11] batou why are you only a & [01:12] wb Chezqa [01:12] Cheza* [01:12] not much [01:12] hey [01:12] cause chigo is power hungry [01:12] ok i'm off to make dinner