Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:29:01 PM): boxer_pups4eva has joined the conference. Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:29:01 PM): Katherine has joined the conference. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:29:16 PM): Hiya. boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:29:22 PM): helloo Katherine (10/29/2007 4:29:37 PM): Hi. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:29:53 PM): Kay, question. "Who owns Code Lyoko?" boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:30:48 PM): Moonscoop... Taffy... Antefilms. right? HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:30:52 PM): Indeed. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:06 PM): If they own Code Lyoko, it means they made the Episodes. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:17 PM): Now who owns the music people use? boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:31:50 PM): the artists? the music ppl... the ppl who made then music like band players.... i think.. idk HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:31:57 PM): Exactly. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:32:52 PM): So then why all the fights online? We don't own the music, and we don't own the clips. We may own our 'concept' of what we put in the video. Like listen to a song, get an idea, the idea we don't own, but when we make the video. 'The way' we made it we do. But over all, the clips, the song, the stuff in it. You think that would hold up in court? HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:33:22 PM): "Mr.Judge he/she stole my song or my video clips". They'd laugh at you, they wouldn't even consider that a case. boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:33:41 PM): wow. who would do tht? HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:33:57 PM): Nobody, it'd be stupid too. But fighting over it, is almost the exact same thing. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:34:26 PM): The true owners are those that made the things, and liscensed them. Anyone can put them together, but the one that created the materials to be used, are the one's that can trul say it's theirs. HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:34:36 PM): *truly boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:35:33 PM): oooooh boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:35:39 PM): ya HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:36:15 PM): So even if someone does use someone else's video's. Not saying anyone did, I'm just saying it in a rhetorical way. The stuff in the video, is no more theirs, then it is the person before them. boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:36:52 PM): i just dont like it when ppl steal someone elses video and uses their clips Yahoo! Messenger (10/29/2007 4:36:53 PM): aelitadagostino has joined the conference. boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:36:58 PM): tht makes me mad aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:13 PM): i just now saw that invite aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:15 PM): my bad aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:18 PM): >______> HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:37:23 PM): But the clips don't belong to that person. They belong to moonscoop. The clips are overall in the end, Moonscoops. aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:37:37 PM): huh whats goin on?! boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:37:43 PM): but ppl will take the stuff u work forever on, HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:37:50 PM): Ack...I don't want to repeat myself. One sec, I'll pastebin what was said before. aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:38:15 PM): is someone crying in here?! HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:27 PM): Huh? HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:43 PM): http://pastebin.ca/754405 <--There, that was said before you joined. aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:38:44 PM): wtf is goin on dang i'm sorry for not seein the invite HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:38:53 PM): No prob. Read that to catch up. aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:39:17 PM): i dont wanna read ick HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:39:20 PM): O.o boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:39:23 PM): lol aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:39:33 PM): i think i got a clue HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:40:21 PM): I'll sum it up then. Clips of Code Lyoko, belong to Moonscoop, Songs belong to artists who make them, the material in a video belongs to the person that created the material. Any person can make a video, by putting that material together. But in the end, it can't stand up in court, of clip stealing claims. Since the clips belong to Moonscoop. aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:40:48 PM): is someone upset because we are trying to defend the fact that people keep taking credit for our fan-vids that obiously we worked very hard on but when people take them its like stealing fan-tising thus forth is not cool and taking credit for amvs and arrangments of clips i will not put up with? aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:41:18 PM): gosh dang it regina you type faster than me boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:20 PM): : HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:41:24 PM): Lol boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:27 PM): ** boxer_pups4eva (10/29/2007 4:41:28 PM): lol HikaruXANA (10/29/2007 4:42:06 PM): The arrangement of clips, when someone uses them, they normally re-arrange them from what I see, so how is it stealing clips? aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:07 PM): but am i right?! aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:15 PM): ......... aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:19 PM): how it is stealing is aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:28 PM): the fact people have different brains aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:30 PM): BRAINS! aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:35 PM): alot of people aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:40 PM): cannot find ways to cut them aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:45 PM): in a way it matches aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:50 PM): thats why they go out aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:56 PM): and find everyone elses videos aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:42:59 PM): and uses them aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:01 PM): *use aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:09 PM): and think everything is just allright aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:14 PM): but when people take aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:17 PM): other peoples art aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:19 PM): it hurts aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:25 PM): it seriously does aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:31 PM): now aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:39 PM): ok people take my gifs all the time aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:43 PM): put they're names on it aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:48 PM): and bgs as well aelitadagostino (10/29/2007 4:43:53 PM): i'm ok with that but aelitadagostino: when people go too far aelitadagostino: and think they can just take peoples fan videos aelitadagostino: that becomes a threat to our work aelitadagostino: i see many many peoples videos aelitadagostino: get stolen aelitadagostino: its not cool aelitadagostino: cause i wonder how everyone else is feeling aelitadagostino: and it dont feel good aelitadagostino: not at all aelitadagostino: idk about you uys aelitadagostino: *guys aelitadagostino: but i make my videos to make everyone else happy aelitadagostino: but when they steal the videos aelitadagostino: not so happy anymore aelitadagostino: that ruins the fun aelitadagostino: of there only being one vide aelitadagostino: like that aelitadagostino: on youtube aelitadagostino: one fun video aelitadagostino: people can enjoy aelitadagostino: OMFG I FEEL LIKE A PREACHER!!!!! aelitadagostino: some body come alive and say somethin!!!!!!!!! Katherine: ... boxer_pups4eva: u talk a lotttt aelitadagostino: >_> aelitadagostino: yes boxer_pups4eva: u ots lots tah say aelitadagostino: ..i'm sorry boxer_pups4eva: **gots hikaru_xana: But if the fights keep up, youtube will see it as us claiming the video's our our's, true, but they'll see it as us claiming the clips....Which is why they want to take them down. boxer_pups4eva: but thts boxer_pups4eva: why aelitadagostino: what makes me even more mad in which i want it to stop complettely boxer_pups4eva: we say we dont own anything Katherine: I can I please say something to barbara... aelitadagostino: is i want people to stop asking where the clips are from ! it says on my channel! it says everything! grrr boxer_pups4eva: yes boxer_pups4eva: my yes was to katerine boxer_pups4eva: lol boxer_pups4eva: **katherine aelitadagostino: i kno aelitadagostino: >_> boxer_pups4eva: ok making sure Katherine: Errm, right... aelitadagostino: i'm scared man Katherine: :S aelitadagostino: are you gonna Chew my face off kat? boxer_pups4eva: lol Katherine: Errm, I haven't stolen anyones clips kay? aelitadagostino: yess you have Katherine: I got the episodes. aelitadagostino: i have a keen eye for detail Katherine: From what hikaru has suppiled with websites. aelitadagostino: dont remember that aelitadagostino: dont say that geeze! aelitadagostino: I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES! aelitadagostino: my la'mour video aelitadagostino: ghdaspfoi aelitadagostino: *l'amour Katherine: That was ages ago/ Katherine: We had this voer. aelitadagostino: nope Katherine: Gee. Katherine: >_> aelitadagostino: i saw it aelitadagostino: on la passion Katherine: My turn to type aelitadagostino: i saw it Katherine: No. Katherine: NO! aelitadagostino: mmhmmm Katherine: I DIDN'T! Katherine: WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS! aelitadagostino: i saw it are you calling me a freakin liar! aelitadagostino: I SAW IT! Katherine: I'M NOT! Katherine: I DIDN'T! aelitadagostino: I SAW ALOT OF PEOPLES VIDEO! Katherine: LIKE HIKARU SAID aelitadagostino: S Katherine: TJHERES ONLY 90 EPISODES REALEASED SO FAR. aelitadagostino: omfg Katherine: Fgs/ aelitadagostino: fgs/ to you too Katherine: I'm in the middle of changging the formats atm. Katherine: To wmv Katherine: Instead of avi. aelitadagostino: *sigh* Katherine: So I can make videos faster. Katherine: Hikaru is helping me./ aelitadagostino: ok Katherine: Why can't you understand this? Katherine: WHY?! aelitadagostino: why cant you?!? aelitadagostino: I"M NOT LYING! aelitadagostino: your going off topic oofff Katherine: I FEEL SO MAD THAT THIS! aelitadagostino: I FREAKIN SAW IT~! Katherine: SO MAD! aelitadagostino: ARE YOU FREAKIN LYING TO ME! aelitadagostino: STOP SAYING ITS NOT IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS! Katherine: I'VE BEEN CRYING FOR FOUR HOURS TODAY 'CAUSE OF WHATS HAPPENING! aelitadagostino: I KNO MY VIDEOS MORE THAN ANYONE! aelitadagostino: well aelitadagostino: its no my fault hikaru_xana: Completely copying a video is understandable. But if it's similiar, then it can't really be claimed, can it? There are only 90 episodes of CL and only some certain amount of effects. People may just be using the same effect and or scenes....Can you show examples of both video's? *trying to stay neutral* aelitadagostino: regina aelitadagostino: why muct you be soo ehhhhhhhh whats the word...descriptive ? no aelitadagostino: um aelitadagostino: idk the word but aelitadagostino: Fan-vids can be claimed just not all the way Katherine: Why don't you understand me? aelitadagostino: the arrangements can be aelitadagostino: (*sigh* aelitadagostino: IM STICKING UP FOR MYSELF aelitadagostino: BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS Katherine: Sorry, I had lag. aelitadagostino: THEY CAN JUST WALK ALL OVER ME! hikaru_xana: Trying to see it from both sides here, and help get a compromise. aelitadagostino: i am aelitadagostino: FREAKIN aelitadagostino: SICK aelitadagostino: OF THE STUPIDITY aelitadagostino: on youtube aelitadagostino: so much DRAMA! hikaru_xana: I think what AMV's are, is what they call 'Intellectual Property'. Meaning if you took the exact same music video it'd be wrong (though not much you could do to stop them) but remixing or remaking is perfectly acceptable. Katherine: I should of never returned to youtube anyhow... -.- aelitadagostino: ALL I WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY! and all they do is cant do things for themselves and use everyone elses "ART" Katherine: Nobody has welcomed me much. hikaru_xana: Or at least, that's what it would be considered as in a official court or trial... aelitadagostino: never take clips from in which you dont kno the source aelitadagostino: may i repeat aelitadagostino: ?! aelitadagostino: once is enough hikaru_xana: Hmm. hikaru_xana: Let's see it from another view then. Katherine: I'm sorry, if you think I copied. I couldn't be anymore. But I never stole anyones clips... aelitadagostino: yes i can prove it one sec aelitadagostino: dont say anything aelitadagostino: or type aelitadagostino: i'm gonna prove this hikaru_xana: You say, it's art, and that the person remixing it is in the wrong. Take it from the person that created the music then. That's their art, and when we use it in video's we're remxing it...wouldn't that be the same in AMV's? hikaru_xana: Ack, that entered before I saw your message. Stupid lag, sorry. aelitadagostino: ok aelitadagostino: veryone aelitadagostino: grr aelitadagostino: *everyone aelitadagostino: open 2 new browser windows please Katherine: Barbara... Look, I'm sorry if you think I'm copying. But I'm not. I'm just using episodes like everyone else. I'm sorry if it looks similar... Yes my old videos have clips that are taken... aelitadagostino: i'm proving it Katherine: Do as you please. Katherine: I give up. aelitadagostino: open 2 windows please Katherine: My life is a drang. Katherine: You live thousands of miles away aelitadagostino: dont turn emo on us aelitadagostino: and btw aelitadagostino: i hate labels Katherine: You can't do anything to me anyhow. You're the least of my worries. Katherine: I have to many. Katherine: I really give up. Katherine: I REALLY GIVE UP! aelitadagostino: dont Katherine: I HATE MY LIFE Katherine: GAAAAAH aelitadagostino: dont Katherine: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU Katherine: FGS Katherine: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH aelitadagostino: me? aelitadagostino: your the one freakin out Katherine: I MIGHT ASWEL GO AND DO MY WRISTS AGAIN. Katherine: MAYBE ILL DIE THIS TIME aelitadagostino: geeze aelitadagostino: dont do that aelitadagostino: thats satan talkin Katherine: I do it all the time. 'Cause I have hell in r/l and online too. Katherine: This is getting to much for me. aelitadagostino: well aelitadagostino: i dont want any of my friends to die aelitadagostino: ok>? Katherine: You actually consider me as a friend? Katherine: O.O! aelitadagostino: yeah!? Katherine: Now thats something. aelitadagostino: hello?! aelitadagostino: i dont leave my friends aelitadagostino: no matter how much they make me angry aelitadagostino: besides aelitadagostino: um aelitadagostino: lauren Katherine: It's jsut I don't sreal clips aelitadagostino: she dont count Katherine: OMG MY COMPTUER IS GUNNA D/C aelitadagostino: do you guys still have your windows up? Katherine: Sorry if I go off. Katherine: :S hikaru_xana: I've got Firefox open. aelitadagostino: ok well in one of those 2 windows aelitadagostino: will you please insert this aelitadagostino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwVtWrx2ldE aelitadagostino: and slide to the time aelitadagostino: eh one sec Katherine: Errr. Katherine: I can't, my computer is crashing. Katherine: Omg, 00:04am I need to start my homework... aelitadagostino: ..........your just leavein so you wont see it! aelitadagostino: >___< hikaru_xana: I can take screenshots..if need be... Katherine: No. aelitadagostino: no lol Katherine: I'm staying. Katherine: I'm closing my account anyhow. Katherine: So this will being interesting for me. hikaru_xana: *sigh* Don't do that, and by the way...from a google search a day or two ago. There are sites that everyone on youtube are on, and anyone can 'save' a persons video. aelitadagostino: AHHH!!!!!!!! aelitadagostino: found it! aelitadagostino: eh aelitadagostino: whatever aelitadagostino: but aelitadagostino: what i'm sayin is Katherine: Katherine: I need a razor... aelitadagostino: you used my l'amour video even if you didnt kno it aelitadagostino: because i turned the clip Katherine: ? aelitadagostino: of aelita upsidedown and it triggered my memory aelitadagostino: when shes falling Katherine: o = Katherine: OMG aelitadagostino: yeaaaaaaaaah aelitadagostino: but Katherine: That's easy. aelitadagostino: i can tell these things Katherine: Gee. aelitadagostino: yes i kn aelitadagostino: *kno aelitadagostino: but why would you just suddenly do that Katherine: You can say as you please. I give up. I don't steal. End of. aelitadagostino: it was part of the clip aelitadagostino: .....................................how about we just save the trouble aelitadagostino: and say aelitadagostino: do you still use those clips Katherine: No. aelitadagostino: pinkaelitahopper sent you? Katherine: I use episodes. Katherine: Nope. Katherine: I deleted. Katherine: When I told you. Katherine: I don't lie. aelitadagostino: hmmm i see the same material Katherine: I told you. aelitadagostino: in every video tho aelitadagostino: episodes Katherine: Yeah. aelitadagostino: have un-limited aelitadagostino: possiblilities Katherine: 'Cause. aelitadagostino: but how come i always see the same boxer_pups4eva: wow lots of writing Katherine: I'm in the middle converting episodes! Katherine: I can only use certain ones. aelitadagostino: how about aelitadagostino: instead of saying Katherine: And I've had a lot of difficuity lately. aelitadagostino: IMPORT INTO COLLECTIONS Katherine: With my computer. Katherine: And switching. aelitadagostino: just drag the ep aelitadagostino: click play aelitadagostino: watch it aelitadagostino: and whenever you see a scene aelitadagostino: YOU like aelitadagostino: click the split button aelitadagostino: and keep going hikaru_xana: That takes forever. aelitadagostino: thats what i do Katherine: I don't use wmm. aelitadagostino: HAHAHA aelitadagostino: no it doesnt aelitadagostino: it takes but a fe mins for me aelitadagostino: instead of wating for aelitadagostino: a HUGE 170 MB ep to load aelitadagostino: just cut it yourself aelitadagostino: dont be so lazy aelitadagostino: and let the computer do everything for you aelitadagostino: thats why we got brains Katherine: But doesn't that kinda' ruin it? aelitadagostino: which are more complex than supercomputers aelitadagostino: how? what ruin hhuhh? wtf are you talkin about Katherine: 'Cause. Katherine: You have parts of an episode then. aelitadagostino: ....... Katherine: Not the whole thing. aelitadagostino: you also dont have the pointless clips aelitadagostino: if you use your brain aelitadagostino: WHILE on the computer hikaru_xana: But what if you're trying to convey an idea? aelitadagostino: it makes you much smarter aelitadagostino: .......... aelitadagostino: dont think of the clips aelitadagostino: think of the song hikaru_xana: Such as match lyrics. Clips you like, don't always match the lyrics. aelitadagostino: this is a chees moment aelitadagostino: ... aelitadagostino: be the music aelitadagostino: feel the rhythm aelitadagostino: LOL aelitadagostino: dont think of CL aelitadagostino: or eps aelitadagostino: just concentrate aelitadagostino: on the music hikaru_xana: Er, I stick to lyrics more then beat. If the clips don't match, then...they can't be used. aelitadagostino: and the clips WILL come to you hikaru_xana: Each to his or her own though. Katherine: I agree with hikaru... aelitadagostino: .................................... aelitadagostino: there it goes aelitadagostino: i agree aelitadagostino: i'm tired of that Katherine: O.O Katherine: I'll shut up then. aelitadagostino: everyone makes me sick Katherine: That's what I usually do. aelitadagostino: i feel like i wanna throw up aelitadagostino: dang Katherine: Welcome to my life. Katherine: >_> aelitadagostino: no aelitadagostino: i dont wanna be in your life i am ME, not you Katherine: Sure. aelitadagostino: i will not interfear with your life aelitadagostino: i am a person Katherine: You are right now. boxer_pups4eva: im gunna go now....................... boxer_pups4eva has left the conference. aelitadagostino: far away from you Katherine: Very true. aelitadagostino: dont let people aelitadagostino: get to you aelitadagostino: only if you've done bad things Katherine: People always get me down. Katherine: ] '= aelitadagostino: me too aelitadagostino: but still hikaru_xana: Eh, Anyone can use my clips, songs, video's, whatever. Because in the end, they make what they make. But it's not the exact same. A song or video can be done by several people. But each person has their own way of doing it. aelitadagostino: anyone can use clips Katherine: And I usually get told bad things for good stuff... aelitadagostino: but its nice to ask people aelitadagostino: before the usage of yoour clips on the timeline for a long period of length aelitadagostino: well aelitadagostino: NOT MINE! aelitadagostino: but aelitadagostino: MOONSCOOPS aelitadagostino: clips aelitadagostino: in aelitadagostino: an aelitadagostino: ORDERLY aelitadagostino: fashion aelitadagostino: done by aelitadagostino: yours truly aelitadagostino: so dont go sayin i said they were aelitadagostino: MINE aelitadagostino: >________> Katherine: Errm, lol? aelitadagostino: no laughing aelitadagostino: i will barf on youz aelitadagostino: LOL aelitadagostino: eeze aelitadagostino: here it goes Katherine: It'll have to travel a distance Katherine: x] aelitadagostino: EH crap i laughed aelitadagostino: XD haha aelitadagostino: i wanna barf!! ! hikaru_xana: Eh...*actually sick* Damn weather. Katherine: My homework looks great... A blank page... It's been looking like that for week, and it has to be handed in tomorrow... Well today (00:19am) aelitadagostino: i'm sick too aelitadagostino: your not alone >___> Katherine: I was sick. Katherine: Errm, last week. Katherine: IN MY HOILDAYS! Katherine: Omg... Where the heck is my pencil case... O.O aelitadagostino: O_o Katherine: >_> I'll use my brothers... Katherine: He'll never know. aelitadagostino: LOL Katherine: I hope. Katherine: = S Katherine: Arrg, wireless is gunna' d/c again! ] =< hikaru_xana: As for clicking and dragging. That's fun..but this way shall prevail! Finally found a decent clip splitter. aelitadagostino: who in this chatroom hikaru_xana: Us 3. aelitadagostino: wait aelitadagostino: i wasnt finished aelitadagostino: lol Katherine: LMAO. hikaru_xana: Oh, read that wrong. Katherine: I think lyokogurl44 got bored. Katherine: >_> aelitadagostino: Who in this chat room, usually talks. writes and types in complette sentences. Raise your hand. aelitadagostino: now tell me if you rose your hand. hikaru_xana: *raises hand* aelitadagostino: xD aelitadagostino: *parcially raises hand* lol Katherine: My computer is weird... Katherine: *BANGS!* aelitadagostino: yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah aelitadagostino: ok aelitadagostino has left the conference. Katherine: Lol. Lets close this. dolphingirl199945 has left the conference.