[10:13] Vinnie: got a sec? [10:15] Jimmy: y [10:15] Jimmy: e [10:15] Jimmy: p [10:17] Vinnie: is there a way to install vmware tools in X? [10:17] Jimmy: only [10:17] Jimmy: oh [10:17] Jimmy: no [10:17] Vinnie: so not via console [10:17] Jimmy: it's perl [10:17] Jimmy: nope [10:17] Vinnie: oh? [10:17] Jimmy: why? [10:17] Vinnie: just curious [10:17] Jimmy: gui fag [10:17] Vinnie: I know when you install vmware for winblows, it gets faster [10:17] Vinnie: haha [10:18] Vinnie: im making a dedicated backup box in vmware for laughzilla sites [10:18] Vinnie: I do it on my production box but I dont feel right letting people ssh into it [10:18] Vinnie: so now im just gonna make a whole new box for them to ssh into [10:19] Vinnie: totally de3dicated to just backups [10:19] Jimmy: what is the storage? [10:19] Jimmy: a vm disk? [10:19] Jimmy: or mounted drive to the vm? [10:20] Vinnie: 100G [10:20] Vinnie: gig whatever [10:20] Jimmy: 100 gig vm? [10:20] Vinnie: im just starting with a fresh install [10:20] Vinnie: yea [10:20] Jimmy: why? [10:20] Vinnie: why not? [10:20] Vinnie: I got tons of room [10:21] Jimmy: why? [10:21] Jimmy: all my vm's are 4gb [10:22] Vinnie: heh too small [10:26] Jimmy: why? [10:26] Vinnie: why do you keep saying why? [10:28] Jimmy: because i'm asking you a question [10:28] Jimmy: to [10:28] Jimmy: your statements [10:29] Jimmy: let me rephrase my question [10:30] Jimmy: why are you making the vm's 100GB [10:30] Jimmy: why is 4GB too small? [10:30] Vinnie: 10G /var [10:31] Vinnie: 5G /tmp [10:31] Vinnie: 5G / [10:31] Vinnie: 40G for the backup [10:31] Vinnie: and 40G for /usr [10:31] Jimmy: 1GB /var [10:31] Jimmy: 1g /tmp [10:31] Jimmy: 5G / [10:31] Jimmy: 4G /usr [10:32] Jimmy: /backup remotely mounted from the host machine via smbfs [10:32] Jimmy: that way you have a managable sized vm that you can backup. [10:32] Vinnie: ok go ahewad and install all the qmail stuffs and tell me you dont start getting low on room [10:32] Jimmy: my qmail has been running for 3 years on a 4GB vm [10:33] Jimmy: minoru# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 248M 200M 28M 88% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad0s1e 248M 193M 35M 85% /tmp /dev/ad0s1f 2.7G 2.2G 307M 88% /usr /dev/ad0s1d 739M 630M 50M 93% /var 192.168.175.1:/mnt/hd/mail_store 192G 152G 31G 83% /usr/local/vpopmail [10:33] Vinnie: yea thats just nuts [10:34] Jimmy: nope... i can backup the entire vm using the vdk files in less than 15 minutes [10:34] Vinnie: I dont like being more than 70% full or I can't sleep at night [10:34] Vinnie: LOL [10:34] Jimmy: let me know how long it takes you to back up your 100GB box... and lemme know how much data is corrupted during the backup because the data keeps changing [10:35] Vinnie: why would it be corrupted? [10:35] Jimmy: because data is being writting to the box if it's live during backup [10:35] Vinnie: I been backing up laughzilla box on my production box for over a year with no problems [10:36] Jimmy: so [10:36] Vinnie: why would doing the same thing on vmware be any different? [10:36] Jimmy: it wouldn't [10:36] Jimmy: but would you wanna make a backup of the actual VM? [10:36] Jimmy: I would [10:36] Jimmy: incase something goes wrong with the box itself, you can start up the good copy [10:37] Vinnie: I ,uh, eh, WHAT?! [10:37] Jimmy: not to mention, how long does it take to make a snapshot? [10:37] Vinnie: im not making a backup iof the vm [10:37] Vinnie: maybe I wasn't clear [10:37] Jimmy: you should [10:37] Vinnie: [10:21] Vinnie: im making a dedicated backup box in vmware for laughzilla sites [10:38] Vinnie: meaning I am making a vmware freebsd box for laughzillas backups [10:38] Jimmy: yes [10:38] Jimmy: i know [10:38] Jimmy: i know i know [10:38] Vinnie: ok ok [10:38] Jimmy: root@gozu:/usr/local/VirtMach# du -sh * 17G Hideki_webserv_ii 11G Minoru 17G Minoru_ii 8.1G TinyDNS Box 11G Yuzuki_cudb 8.1G Yuzuki_fuck_nick 11G hideki_webserv 6.3G shinbo_radius 6.0G shinbo_radius.2 2.1G test [10:38] Jimmy: that is all my vm's [10:38] Jimmy: and thier sizes [10:38] Jimmy: ok, none of them are 4gb [10:38] Jimmy: my bad [10:39] Jimmy: no, actually they are, cause they have snapshots [10:39] Jimmy: lemme put it like this [10:39] Jimmy: Minoru is my qmail box [10:39] *** Your previous message has not been sent. Reason: Maximum length exceeded. 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[10:39] Jimmy: root@gozu:/usr/local/VirtMach# ls -al Minoru total 10545396 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-10-10 01:45 ./ drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4096 2007-10-10 03:29 ../ -rw------- 1 root root 5368709120 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD-flat.vmdk -rw------- 1 root root 9819 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.png.sav -rw------- 1 root root 343 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD.vmdk -rw------- 1 root root 4891607040 2007-10-10 01:27 FreeBSD.vmdk.REDO_d0yu9a -rw------- 1 root root 0 2007-10-03 02:55 FreeBSD.vmsd -rw------- 1 root root 537895883 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.vmsn -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1537 2007-10-05 15:45 FreeBSD.vmx* -rw------- 1 root root 1274 2007-10-03 02:53 FreeBSD.vmx.sav [10:39] Jimmy: -rw------- 1 root root 8664 2007-10-10 01:27 nvram -rw------- 1 root root 8664 2007-10-03 02:35 nvram.sav -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25532 2007-10-05 15:30 vmware-0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19977 2007-10-05 15:05 vmware-1.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26235 2007-10-05 14:59 vmware-2.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36846 2007-10-10 01:28 vmware.log [10:40] Jimmy: the FreeBSD.vmdk.REDO_d0yu9a 4GB file is a snapshot [10:40] Jimmy: 5.0G 2007-10-03 02:50 FreeBSD-flat.vmdk is the actual VM [10:41] Jimmy: i can `cp Minoru Minoru.backup` in about 10 minutes or less [10:41] * Vinnie starts swimming [10:41] Jimmy: heh [10:41] Jimmy: then i have a fresh copy of the box... [10:41] Vinnie: hold on [10:42] Jimmy: at that point, i can go and fuck around with updating shit or whatever and if i break something I just stop the vm, delete it, copy the backup back into the original folder and wha-la... all done [10:43] Jimmy: all i'm saying is... you could just make a 10 or 20GB VM, and within the VM mount a share from the host box. (which i'm assuming is a windows box) [10:44] Jimmy: that way your vm is static (other than logs, no data is written to the actual machine) [10:44] Vinnie: ohhhh [10:44] Vinnie: I see [10:44] Vinnie: I get it now [10:44] Jimmy: yeah, i know it's hard to explain [10:44] Vinnie: so make a share in winblows, mount it, and backup to that location [10:44] Jimmy: not your fault... [10:44] Jimmy: yes [10:44] Jimmy: YES!!! [10:44] Vinnie: gotcha [10:44] Jimmy: that way the VM is just like... doing a job [10:45] Vinnie: well im gonan stop this right now [10:45] Vinnie: rethink it a bit [10:45] Vinnie: thanks for that [10:45] Jimmy: yep [10:45] Jimmy: just my 2 cents [10:45] * Vinnie hands mintee a $1 [10:45] Jimmy: i was trying to explain that to mut the other day and he wasn't getting it either [10:45] Jimmy: i just don't want a damn 100GB file on my machine ya know... [10:45] Jimmy: heh [10:46] Vinnie: got it