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lostgirl: hi cordelia
Cordelia-NoMic: Hi all :)   
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lostgirl: gosh i got caught up with code
lostgirl: couldnt helpt hat guy
lostgirl: brb x.x
Cordelia-NoMic: Welcome back :P
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Cordelia-NoMic: Hiya :D   ooo enyo your cutting out after the first few words
Enyo: sorry
Enyo: I have a bad mic
lostgirl: i forgot to turn on my speakers
lostgirl: LOL
Enyo: we are waiting for a few more people to show up
Codeman: who's not here?
MieuyChan: Enyo, did u checked out the post of Iatchi in the forums?
MieuyChan: he is wondering if he can join the conference.
lostgirl: k i have to leave at 2:30 though enyo, i have to pick up my son from school
lostgirl: sorry if i have to leave early
Enyo: ok lostgirl
Cordelia-NoMic: it is all good... sorry I am not on mic... I am woring atm >.>   well pretending to =P     H probably doesn't knowthe pasword
Enyo: we are about to start
Cordelia-NoMic: he*
Enyo: no I haven't tim
Enyo: let me check real quick
MieuyChan: ok.. my whole tshirts is full of tomato sauce now...
MieuyChan: poor me
Enyo: let's start
lostgirl: is iatchi coming also or no?
Enyo: no
lostgirl: ok
Cordelia-NoMic: yup
Enyo: ventrillo sucks for me
lostgirl: soudn gone x.x
Enyo: grrr
lostgirl: type it better?
lostgirl: ^_^
Cordelia-NoMic: can now
Cordelia-NoMic: ooops cut out 
Cordelia-NoMic: no wories.. the joy of technology 
Enyo: this is not working for sound
Enyo: so sorry
Enyo: one sec plz
Enyo: forget sound
Enyo: I'll type
Enyo: sorry guys
Enyo: First of all I want to thank you each for being here.. I look forward to getting to know you all..
Enyo: Secondly, I want to inform everyone that Seer_Iatchi is no longer part of the seer team
Enyo: I have removed him because of an incident last night in which he was rude and insulting to me in the trade channel.. and continue 
Enyo: to harass me afterwards..
Enyo: I will later review the possibility of him returning to his seer position after a period of 2 weeks suspension
Enyo: I wanted to be able to voice with you all because words sometimes are misleading and are often without emotion.. I wanted you to
Enyo: hear that I am just a normal person.. well maybe not normal  :-)
Cordelia-NoMic: lol
MieuyChan: indeed, not normal :P. u wanted to kill ur mic already 6 times :P
Enyo: we will not discuss allot in this first meeting, it is mostly just to get acquainted..
lostgirl: i normally just kick my comp x.x
Cordelia-NoMic: ROFL... poor mic...ooo poor comp
Enyo: can someone please invite nadana in?
'Nadana' has joined the chat.
Enyo: hello nadana  :-)
lostgirl: hi ^_^
Enyo: I was gonna to voice but my microphone is having a bad hair day
Nadana: hello :)
MieuyChan: *is brb in 30sec, getting a drink >.>
Enyo: as you all noticed I wrote a new draft to some seer/gm guidelines which will evolve over the next few weeks
Enyo: do any of you have questions concerning these new guidelines?
Cordelia-NoMic: not I  they seemed quite common sense
'Leanne' has joined the chat.
Enyo: lol
Nadana: :)
Leanne: Oh oh...ok
Enyo: Hi Leanne.. thanks for being here
Cordelia-NoMic: *hi leanne
Leanne: My pleasure
Enyo: I was asking if anyone had any questions about the new guidelines?
Leanne: hey guys and gals...does spelling count heehee
Leanne: ah ok
Enyo: Another thing I want to mention is that if a player makes insulting comments to you..
Enyo: or if they try to start an arguement in trade
Enyo: please do not respond in trade
Enyo: respond privately
Enyo: I have noticed that most of you are guilty of this
Leanne: *raises hand*
Enyo: you probably didn't realize it causes harm but it does
Leanne: as charged..I sorry
lostgirl: lolz sometimes i do privately msg them 
Leanne: I do as well
lostgirl: i ask them why do they feel that way
Cordelia-NoMic: yah lol 
lostgirl: normally they feel bad about it after and stop
Enyo: you are mostly volunteers here so you are special to the NGW team and we appreciate your time
Enyo: whoever has this awful loud mic, please turn off
Enyo: tim it's you
Enyo: lol
lostgirl: lol
MieuyChan: pc locked up for a sec >.>
Enyo: this time you spend with us on Immortals can train you 
Enyo: if you ever decide to go into the gaming industry
'railm0' has joined the chat.
Enyo: you can use your time with us as a learning experience to put in your portfolio for later
Leanne: Hi railmO..Hey there Tim
Enyo: I will do everything I can to teach you how to be the best game master
Enyo: if you allow me to
Enyo: so.. yes we are here to have fun.. but we are also here to provide a service to the community
Enyo: to remain professional whilst being true to ourselves
Enyo: that combined will make this game grow, you grow as a person and the players will lvoe you in the end
Enyo: I will be strict about about these new policies.. and if any of you ever have a gripe with me, it's ok.. as long as it is done with mutual 
Enyo: respect..
Enyo: the main thing you have to remember is what it feels like to be on the other side.. to be the player..
Enyo: we don't want the players to see us as dictators..
Enyo: I want to start a player led event team also
Enyo: so I will need some volunteers for that..
Enyo: we will assist the players to produce their events..
Enyo: with spawning.; announcements or roleplay..
Enyo: I also plan to start an Immortals wiki.. I will also need volunteers for that..
Enyo: and I would like to hear your ideas on ways to improve the community and game overall..
Enyo: any questions or comments?
lostgirl: advertisement
lostgirl: the game has a low population
Leanne: yes
lostgirl: we need some way to pull in more players
Enyo: we are working on that lostgirl.. so hopefully soon you will see more about immortals all over the net
Enyo: teh game is technically still in open beta..
lostgirl: maybe some sort of reward system for bringing in new palyers
Enyo: we don't expect to go out of beta until after january
Enyo: such as lostgirl?
lostgirl: so maybe after beta they can look more to that
lostgirl: some sort of apprentice system maybe
lostgirl: or even inviting another player to begin and reaching a certain level will have both getting a reward
lostgirl: the problem is the game itself cant be changed much
lostgirl: so maybe we could have some web based reward system
Enyo: lostgirl.. the idea sounds intersting.. can you please send me a proposition in a pm on the forums sometime this week?
lostgirl: that can be manually given out by gm?
lostgirl: alright ill think about it a bit harder til its more concrete
lostgirl: im sorry but i have to go pick up my son now , ill leave the window open and read it when im back
Enyo: thanks lostgirl for your contribution..  :-)
Enyo: cya later.;
railm0: bye
Leanne: see ya later lostgirl
Enyo: tim, cody .. do either of you have anything to say?
Codeman: one sec
MieuyChan: i'm just watching the conversation o.o
MieuyChan: nothing in particulair i have to say.
railm0: so who does our PR and marketing now?
MieuyChan: *raises hand >.>
MieuyChan: well, part off. lol
Enyo: we have new PR and marketing people coming aboard railm0
Enyo: part of my job as community manager will be to assist
railm0: What's  their background
Enyo: railm0 is that important?
railm0: in the gaming industry
railm0: Just curious
railm0: because we need a big player base
Cordelia-NoMic: that wiki could really be useful for that too as wiki is very widely used and read
railm0: To really do anything.
Enyo: yes that will happen naturally
Enyo: the wiki was actually more for private usage.. but we could have a public one as well
Enyo: the private wiki will be password protected
Cordelia-NoMic: ok
Enyo: don't worry guys.. PR and Marketing is being handled  :-)
Leanne: *raises hand*
Enyo: I know the game has a low population count now but it will grow..
Enyo: yes leanne?
Leanne: Would it be possible for us to have some holiday events please?
Enyo: Leanne would you like to assist on the new event team?
Enyo: holiday events sound great.;
Leanne: I think it would be fun
MieuyChan: we would need developers for that.
MieuyChan: adding things like, Santa hats, etc.
railm0: yup
Enyo: I am one person so I cannot do it all alone.. I will try to do my best for you and the community
Leanne: indeed
Nadana: do you have the ability to create... nm tim just answered hehe
Leanne: and maybe a quest that would add a nice item
MieuyChan: thats what most games do for their holiday events yes.
Enyo: I'll speak with the publisher and see what can or not can be done
MieuyChan: developers*
Leanne: *nods*  thank you
MieuyChan: ;)
Leanne: it seems our ppl really like events
railm0: Well it's the only thing that keeps the game running
railm0: anything else
railm0: becomes a grind
Leanne: that's another thing
Leanne: grinding
Enyo: the next thing I want to ask is that we all remain positive..
Enyo: I only want positive people on this team
railm0: I'm giving out opinions
Enyo: I don't want to hear negativity about the game
Enyo: the power of positiveness can go a long ways and accomplish allot railm0
Enyo: it's even contagious :-)
Enyo: just like negativity is
Enyo: we have the power to turn things around
Enyo: what makes or breaks a game are not the graphics.. or power leveling or even vast number of players but it is community
Cordelia-NoMic: something to promote encouraging people and not just seers to help out others would be good so people feel welcome and become a part of the community sooner
Enyo: from what I can see, you all are good people.. so is the community
Enyo: Events are important.; not only ingame event but other type of events such as contests on the website, etc..
Enyo: yes Cordelia, you are right
railm0: Oh ya 
railm0: the main mage of Immortals
MieuyChan: *nearly falls a sleep.. i'm so sleepy ;);
railm0: NEEDS TO BE UPDATED
MieuyChan: ;_;
railm0: atleast weekly
Enyo: I think we can all learn from each other.. I have allot to learn myself about Immortals and this community
Nadana: did you mean page? )
railm0: yes
Enyo: yes railm0 I agree
Enyo: we are also working on that
Enyo: we will soon have a system in place where we can update as needed..
Cordelia-NoMic: :)
Leanne: What about maybe a way to recognize other players we "catch" doing something godd
Leanne: good..
Nadana: side question -- who are the current forum moderators?  On more than one occasion there has been porn on the website and it is dif
Nadana: difficult to locate someone to remove it quickly
Enyo: you mean like a thread that speaks of good deeds?
railm0: Nadana
Cordelia-NoMic: lol I was just about to ask that nadana
Leanne: we could make a place to post and maybe reward them ingame
railm0: I delete them most of the time
Leanne: Yes Enyo
MieuyChan: railmo, and all the others gamestaff have forum mod.
Leanne: there are alot of players who work hard but aren't old enough to be seers
Enyo: thanks railm0, you led me to my next issue.. please do not ever delete a thread unless it is serious and even then, do not physically 
Nadana: so how do you want us to handle an instance when nobody is around to remove it quickly?
Enyo: remove it
Leanne: but it would encourage them as well as others maybe
Enyo: if you have to delete a thread, please post in our section why it was deleted and the link of the deleted thread
Enyo: we do not want to censor players.. 
railm0: It's a bot..
Enyo: it is usually better to edit their posts
railm0: that posts porn...
MieuyChan: lol enyo, there will be a little to many of those threads then. we have porn spammers like 5x a day.
Cordelia-NoMic: yes there have been times when it isup for hours ... and I can not do anything about it except report the post
Enyo: yes ok if it's a bot but I still want us to follow a procedure
MieuyChan: for a bot..?
Enyo: I want to be able to see which threads were deleted and why
MieuyChan: i just delete that, and ban IT right away.
Enyo: yes for ALL threads deleted
MieuyChan: uh... ok
Enyo: I know these rules are a bit different than what you are used to
Nadana: and for those of us who cannot edit or delete -- when nobody is around to resolve it -- what steps do you want us to take?
Nadana: just report it in private area?
Cordelia-NoMic: lol .. nadana is reading my mind :P
Enyo: I apologize if it has caught any of you off guard.. but trust me, this will help to build a successful community
Enyo: Nadana.. all of you will soon have mod powers
MieuyChan: they are bots... they arent real powers..
railm0: ya..
MieuyChan: powers=players
Cordelia-NoMic: oh ok ... that works :)
railm0: vbasics/php scripted bots
railm0: to register and post
railm0: then leave
Enyo: Tim.. regardless.. this is how I want it done.. it's for your protection as well as the player.. 
railm0: What protection?
railm0: i'm lost O_O
Enyo: that a player does not ever wrongly accuse one of you to delete his thread without a valid reason
railm0: ....
Nadana: ahh ok -- then are you saying -- when we have mod powers -- we don't delete these?  So do we edit out the inappropriate items and
railm0: It's not a PLAYER
railm0: ...
Nadana: leave the actual post?
lostgirl: im back :)
Enyo: railm0 .. I am sure that not only bot threads get deleted
Nadana: wb lost
Enyo: wb lostgirl
railm0: I didn't delete a single thread from a player.
lostgirl: well how about we put a trash section in rpivate
lostgirl: and move the thread there
Nadana: railm0 I think her point is that if we don't delete any there can be no accusation of post deletions
Enyo: this is a policy that I want to see respected by the team..
Enyo: good idea, lostgirl
Enyo: there should have been one already.. a mod queue section
lostgirl: that way gm can determine if its delte potential
Enyo: yes
Cordelia-NoMic: makes sense it is what I have my mods do on my thread athough all delete content goes into a trash forum that only I as admin can seethat way if something is deleted by mistake I can undo it
lostgirl: just wont make this one public
Enyo: I'm not saying there are not allot of bot posts.. I'm merely saying we need this policy for ALL potentially deleted threads
lostgirl: we can have gm screen content, will work out nicely
lostgirl: ya it will help protect seer as well from complaints
railm0: Enyo
railm0: there is a lot of bot posts
railm0: you just never see them
railm0: last Lost
railm0: ask*
lostgirl: ya im the one that sees most of them
lostgirl: 2-3 a day at most
lostgirl: but typical
Enyo: railm0 regardless.. this is the new policy for deleting threads
Nadana: so instead we are going to move them to an appropriate area? correct?
Enyo: yes
lostgirl: well if we move them to a private thread then it shouldnt be seeable by geeral public
Nadana: Ok
Enyo: that's right lostgirl
Enyo: it won't
lostgirl: so no problem for all
Enyo: by the way, this is custom policies for most forums
Enyo: for threads that are only semi- out of control, please do not lock but edit instead.. 
lostgirl: did i miss much?
Enyo: player A says Fµµµ
Enyo: you can replace that word with flower or pink or anything nice and funny
Nadana: haha
Leanne: lol  that's a great idea
Enyo: when you start de;leteing too many threads and locking it hurts the community
Enyo: we get a bad rep for being dictators
Enyo: players will have healthy debates and this is ok.. as long as they don't make personal attacks, troll, flame and curse
Enyo: if they do that, we can edit the post.. or if it's bad delete.. and suggest to me if you think he needs to be muted.. etc
Cordelia-NoMic: the straight up porn bots we can just delete though right?
railm0: No
railm0: you need to move them in to trash so all seers/gms can see it
Enyo: yes but please put in the trash thread.. at least for now.. until we are all accustomed to not just physically removing a thread
Cordelia-NoMic: k
Enyo: you will delete it but not physically remove it
Enyo: there is a difference
Enyo: the players cannot see a deleted thread
Enyo: only we can
Enyo: this is what I mean
Enyo: when you delete, it gives you the option to physically remove or soft delete
Enyo: most probably choose physically remove
railm0: So how did this work on other forums that didn't use vbulletin?
MieuyChan: i only choose physically for bots. player made threads , if they would get deleted, they get a soft delete
Enyo: once I get a good idea how you all work then this policy can be slightly modified
Enyo: but for now I want to evlauate the team ..
Enyo: for now please do not physically delete
Nadana: so "soft delete" will give an option to move? or does it do this automatically?  My apologies but the forums I have worked with don't 
Nadana: have this -- so please explain :)
Enyo: to be honest you don't have to move it
Enyo: no one can see it except us
MieuyChan: then whats the use of the trash can...?
Enyo: the trash can really would be more for troubled threads that need me to look at to decide if the player needs to be warned or muted
Enyo: I'm sorry if I didn't make myself more clear.. but I hope you are understanding me now..
MieuyChan: kk
Enyo: 12 am here and I've been up for 20 hours
Nadana: perhaps you could write up a document detailing how these things are to be handled exactly? Just want to make sure I understand
Enyo: so railmo although this may take a little getting used to, trust me it is well worth teh time and effort
Enyo: yes I will nadana
railm0: k
Enyo: actually the idea of trash can came from lostgirl and I like it
Leanne: Same here Nadana
lostgirl: i was thinking that 
lostgirl: we need some sort of weekly event
Leanne: I agree
lostgirl: something that pulls the player base in at certain times
railm0: exp event
railm0: weekly
Enyo: leanne and lostgirl do you want to be head of the player led events team?
Nadana: I like the idea of an exp event 
Enyo: then you would be in charge of weekly player events
lostgirl: sure ^_^
Nadana: I think it will help encourage folks because grinding gets to player
Enyo: I also want to have daily trivia mini events
lostgirl: we need somethign that has a set time
Leanne: I like working with lostgirl :)
Enyo: and contests
Leanne: ppl like really cool prizes :)
railm0: Friday evenings, double exp event
lostgirl: if we change the time all the time they get annoyed and easily distracted
railm0: GMT -4:00
railm0: standard NGW time
lostgirl: i was thinking more like
Leanne: great isea railmO
lostgirl: they make a copy of a map
lostgirl: any map
Enyo: Ok so lostgirl and leanne will head the player led events team
lostgirl: and have some way to warp into it
lostgirl: at certain times only
railm0: no
railm0: just set the game
railm0: for double exp 
railm0: and anywhere
Leanne: yes
lostgirl: lol railmo
Enyo: I would like to start a little news paper.. like gossip, etc.; would anyone be interested in that project?
lostgirl: since they cant change the game they could actually make a copy of a current map
Leanne: that way everyone one would be included and look forward to it
Codeman: an exp event is not possible at this time.  is the only problem with that event
railm0: ofcourse they change game
railm0: EXP is server side
railm0: just change numbers and restart
lostgirl: code
Codeman: railm0 it's not possible yet
railm0: well make it possible :)
lostgirl: would it be spossibel to make a special map that is a copy of like white valley
lostgirl: and have someoen stand at the end with a prize with tons of mobs blockign the way
Codeman: We would have to discuss that with the developers
railm0: I'd probably win :) with the charge lol
railm0: from a warrior lol
lostgirl: x.x
Leanne: lol true
lostgirl: u can charge thru tons of cerebus?
railm0: yes
railm0: because i don't hit them
lostgirl: railmo excluded from event!
railm0: and he's melee too lol
Enyo: lostgirl and leaanne, you two can get together later and brainstorm your event ideas.. I will need to pre-approve them and please try
lostgirl: ok
Enyo: to include the players.. I really want to build a player led event team
lostgirl: we also have that list that they voted for
Enyo: you two will be considered liasons
lostgirl: we can build off of that
Enyo: is anyone interested in volunteering for a weekly news section?
Enyo: with screenies
Enyo: gossip.. etc
Enyo: we will probably include this on the site, too
lostgirl: i woudl but i dunno how much devotion i can do after the events
railm0: I don't think people want to write up stuff lol
Cordelia-NoMic: I would
railm0: ha
railm0: that worked
railm0: :)
Enyo: lol
Enyo: you would cordelia?
Leanne: pssstt  Cordy :)
Cordelia-NoMic: yes
lostgirl: rumor for cord ^_^
Cordelia-NoMic: lol .. ishall have my eyesand ears EVERYWHERE
Enyo: that's ok lostgirl.. whatever time you can contribute is fine.. you can also get other seers or gm's or players to assist you and leanne.
lostgirl: lol :)
Enyo: great cordelia!
lostgirl: ok
Nadana: perhaps I could be your "un-named" secret ninja source =P
Cordelia-NoMic: oooo I love that :P
Nadana: :)
Cordelia-NoMic: my friendly spies :P
Nadana: mwa haha
lostgirl: lol
Enyo: codelia you don't really have to write much.. you can also include screenies with a question.. or copy and past exerpts of chat.
Enyo: paste chat..
Leanne: that might be a good placeto put the "caught ya" to begin with
Enyo: funny stuff.. etc embarassing.. or even news worthy
Cordelia-NoMic: hee hee indeed
Enyo: even though some of us may have our little projects we are ALL still working together as a team on all things.
Cordelia-NoMic: indeed
Leanne: of course :)
Enyo: do any of you have other suggestions or anything that you might want to do yourself?
MieuyChan: i want to sleep... i'm falling off my chair >.<
lostgirl: maybe later ^_^
Nadana: hehe
Enyo: I am going to ask the publisher if we can get special robes for seers and gm's but no promises.. it's up to the developers
Nadana: here's a pillow
Enyo: tim you can go now if you want.; thanks to be here tim
Cordelia-NoMic: Enyo do you have msn ?
Enyo: yes I do but I prefer to be contacted on the forums if you don't mind
MieuyChan: *goes. goodnight all. my baby's <3
MieuyChan: :P
Enyo: cya timmy
Nadana: night tim
Leanne: \Night Timmioe
lostgirl: night tim
Cordelia-NoMic: okies
Leanne: Timmie*
Cordelia-NoMic: sweet dreams tim 
Enyo: I'm hardly on msn
Leanne: rest well
Enyo: that's the main reason why
'MieuyChan' has left the chat.
Enyo: if I log onto msn.. I will have a million im's
railm0: I know your yim though lol
Leanne: the minutes will be posted for other seers who couldn't attend?
Enyo: yes they will
lostgirl: minutes?
Leanne: awesome.  I think I need to re-read all of this  lol
Enyo: I ask you all to please not discuss this meeting with anyone outside the team
lostgirl: k
railm0: I need to go afk
Cordelia-NoMic: no prob
Leanne: tis is my vow 
Enyo: for the record, I have nothing against iatchi personally.. the decision to let him go was strictly personal and he is welcome ingame
Enyo: professional*
Enyo: not personal
Enyo: lol
lostgirl: i saw what he was writing i know
lostgirl: i was talkign to him on msn at same time when it happen
Nadana: Saldash is gone as well?
lostgirl: i did talkt o him about it
lostgirl: at that time
railm0: yes he's gone
Enyo: had he just accepted his mute and not continued to harass me in email and game .. and just apolozed it would have been over
Enyo: but as I said.. I will reconsider his application after two weeks
lostgirl: well I didn't see what was said after but I did see his remarks to railmo
Enyo: please let us all never argue or disagree in public and even in private show mutual respect
Enyo: this is also for how we treat players
Enyo: we want to stand apart from the rest of gm's in the mmo world
Enyo: not seen as a police but as a friend
Cordelia-NoMic: Ilike that :)
Enyo: yet we do enforce the rules but that is not all we do
Enyo: are there more to promote community and have fun whilst doing it
Enyo: sometimes part of building a community is enforcing rules
Cordelia-NoMic: agreed
Enyo: but if we do it in kindness.. we will have better results
Enyo: no, we can't win them all
Enyo: but my grandma said a long time ago you get more bees with honey than vinegar
Enyo: this is true
lostgirl: hha so true x.x, some peoepl just dont care, but we still gotta try 
Leanne: my grandma said that to and so did my mom
Enyo: so remember that at all times the players are watchign you even if you are only human liek them
Leanne: yes lost
lostgirl: gosh i have awful typing skills
lostgirl: lol
Nadana: or demon...
Enyo: none of us are perfect and I don't expect there to be no mistakes
Leanne: I'm so excited that we are actually goting to get started on some of the ideas :)
Enyo: but let's recognize our mistakes and grow and learn from them
Leanne: going*
Enyo: yes leanne I am too
Enyo: well.. I need to end this meeting now
Enyo: minutes will be posted tomorrow
Cordelia-NoMic: lol yeah and gto bed 
lostgirl: lol you probably need to sleep ^_^
Leanne: Night Enyo..rest well.  Thank you for meeting with us
Enyo: I think we covered allot in this first meeting
Leanne: yes indeed
Cordelia-NoMic: Yes thank you Enyo 
Enyo: thank you all for being here and for actively participating
Cordelia-NoMic: you are welcome
lostgirl: happy to oblige
Leanne: I thought that's what you wanted ys to do *winks*
lostgirl: :)
Nadana: Night Enyo
lostgirl: good night