Session Start: Thu Nov 08 13:05:20 2007
Session Ident: FrieT
* Logging FrieT to 'logs\FrieT.UnderNet.log'
[13:05] <09BlackDon> you're an official (abuser) ;P so you have a word to say
[13:05] <09BlackDon> since when ?;) when did you join undernet?
[13:06] <09FrieT> join or be active on it :]
[13:06] <09BlackDon> join
[13:06] <09BlackDon> your very first day on undernet
[13:07] <09FrieT> wow, good question. i have been idling on undernet for quite a few years. before we started the company, so i guess that should be around 12 years now
[13:07] <09FrieT> but i only idled on it
[13:07] <09FrieT> to keep in touch with some people who were fond of it - i was not :)
[13:07] <09BlackDon> you're an old timer
[13:08] <09BlackDon> why undernet, and DUNNOWHAT.irc
[13:08] <09BlackDon> ?
[13:08] <09FrieT> i'm no old timer by most standards, i just happened to know some people who were old timers and got me here to occasionally chat with them 
[13:09] <09FrieT> i never personally cared that much for it, since all i saw were politics and cocky people :) i was looking in the wrnog places :)
[13:09] <09FrieT> wrong*
[13:09] <09BlackDon> what made you got involved in official stuff. you're an oper. since when/how /
[13:09] <09BlackDon> ?
[13:10] <09FrieT> i've been an oper since elsene* linked up again, since i sponsor / administer its network, i figured it would be handy to fix network level stuff and know what is going on in here
[13:10] <09FrieT> i still wasn't active
[13:10] <09FrieT> i became active because of some poor greek user asking me for help a good month or 2 ago :)
[13:10] <09FrieT> then i noticed some normal, non-cocky people were here as well. ;)
[13:10] <09BlackDon> how do you find undernet?
[13:11] <09FrieT> well, my views of it have changed radically. I used to think of it as, well, politics and nothing much more than that
[13:11] <09FrieT> but i've come to know some very caring people
[13:12] <09FrieT> it's still politics on most levels of course, but that's on a lot of networks
[13:12] <09FrieT> and it's needed too
[13:12] <09BlackDon> by the way. about people. this interview is for undernet15.com and #UnderNet15
[13:12] <09BlackDon> do you find huggins as a clown ?:)
[13:12] <09FrieT> he's definately a clown!
[13:12] <09FrieT> which means
[13:12] <09BlackDon> a good one?
[13:12] <09FrieT> well
[13:12] <09BlackDon> you know batman
[13:12] <09BlackDon> the movie..;)
[13:12] <09FrieT> he's more of a standup comedian in a sense
[13:13] <09FrieT> he tries to tackle some obvious but unspoken problems
[13:13] <09FrieT> on the other hand, on a personal level, we can be serious as well
[13:13] <09BlackDon> official question:Do you think he's Competing abit against user-com?
[13:13] <09FrieT> so he's much like a clown in that regard, since  a clown is only a clown when on stage.
[13:14] <09FrieT> Hmm, I'll try not to feed the trolls :-)
[13:14] <09BlackDon> a'right then;)
[13:14] <09FrieT> let's see
[13:14] <09BlackDon> do you consider that some things must be changed around?
[13:14] <09FrieT> well i'll still answer that Q tho ;)
[13:14] <09BlackDon> awesome;)
[13:15] <09FrieT> You might view it as competing, but it's not the reason why he gets involved
[13:15] <09FrieT> usercom have to deal with politics
[13:15] <09FrieT> they can't go around and say whatever they want
[13:15] <09FrieT> a user can
[13:15] <09FrieT> he now realises that, I think / hope (told him a hundred times :)
[13:16] <09FrieT> I regret the fact that usercom isn't planning an event of their own anymore
[13:16] <09BlackDon> its what I think too. this thing got way too deep into fights. shouldt be a competition
[13:16] <09FrieT> since there's an informative part as well. not just a fun part. huggins is good for the fun and organising that - usercom has more ties to the official stuff.
[13:16] <09FrieT> well, most competition is healthy - it just shouldn't get this ugly.
[13:17] <09FrieT> but then again, there's not much i can tell about the details, i'm afraid. Suffice to say i don't like the outcome, i'd rather have seen 2 events coexisting
[13:17] <09BlackDon> you said you're new around. not quite, but..does your plans include undernet in the future? since you know how things roll around
[13:18] <09FrieT> Well, i've committed to quite a few projects, including usercom - so it'd be quite backwards of me to not include it in my future 
[13:19] <09FrieT> obviously i'm past the old views i had about undernet by now 
[13:19] <09BlackDon> glad to hear. we're the second irc network, after quakenet. some said that we're half populated by drones and bots. what's your opinion regarding this issue
[13:20] <09FrieT> well, i'd love to hear who does NOT say we're half populated by drones ;-)
[13:20] <09FrieT> My opinion is that there's very committed people working on those issues
[13:21] <09BlackDon> sensitive question: will they act, and let us fall from top3 ?
[13:21] <09FrieT> which is good enough for me, since it will continue being worked on
[13:21] <09FrieT> I personally don't care about the top ranking..
[13:21] <09FrieT> My IRC roots lie in now defunc networks
[13:21] <09FrieT> who topped at 200 users
[13:22] <09FrieT> so i used to be happy with top 1000 :)
[13:22] <09FrieT> If the network becomes a better place for users to be in
[13:22] <09FrieT> then i don't care about its ranking usercount-wise
[13:23] <09BlackDon> that's interesting and also wise ;) are we gonna catch a 20 aniversary of undernet ?
[13:23] <09FrieT> sure we are. Even though there are flamers and trolls around, that doesn't mean they don't have the best interests of the network in mind
[13:24] <09FrieT> hang on, pc troubs
[13:24] <09FrieT> 5sec:)
[13:24] <09BlackDon> someone hax0red FrieT
[13:25] <09BlackDon> *G*
[13:27] <09FrieT> back
[13:27] <09FrieT> no, i'm on wifi, logs are being written over SMB
[13:27] <09FrieT> pretty slow :)
[13:27] <09FrieT> since i'm in too many chans 
[13:28] <09FrieT> it tends to go blank :p
[13:28] <09FrieT> i'm back anyways;)
[13:28] <09FrieT> soo regarding if it'll last 5 years more
[13:28] <09FrieT> yeah, sure. too many committed people, even if some don't look like it, they are
[13:29] <09BlackDon> people change, so do committees
[13:29] <09FrieT> it may not be in the top 3 by then, but that's another story obviously.
[13:29] <09BlackDon> do you think that there are major things that should be added, as improvements
[13:29] <09BlackDon> ?
[13:30] <09FrieT> very personal opinion, haven't ever spoken to people about it, but i figure we need way more local operator
[13:30] <09FrieT> s
[13:30] <09FrieT> to keep more in touch with the userbase
[13:30] <09FrieT> and that's not a big change, it's just a mindset
[13:30] <09FrieT> irc operators are supposed to only care for network issues
[13:30] <09FrieT> but the network is built out of a few servers
[13:30] <09FrieT> and 100k users
[13:31] <09FrieT> i think the users outrank the servers :)
[13:31] * BlackDon is totally free *G*
[13:31] <09BlackDon> j/k
[13:31] <09FrieT> (brb :)
[13:32] <09FrieT> back
[13:32] <09BlackDon> you're fast;)
[13:33] <09FrieT> meh, i don't care for that kind of joke a lot, you don't get blacklisted for suggesting it ;)
[13:33] <09FrieT> after all, i need to know before i can propose it, don't i
[13:33] <09FrieT> =)
[13:33] <09BlackDon> true.
[13:33] <09BlackDon> will you get more involved after you discovered undernet's lacks?
[13:40] <09FrieT> i can't barge into everything, but i'm trying to help people from <whatever>-com by being available
[13:41] <09BlackDon> that's not nothing. actually, its kinda huge
[13:41] <09FrieT> also, being on every project in an "official" way just looks wrong - i can't commit to a 24/7 job 4 times over :)
[13:41] <09BlackDon> the communications between committees and users somehow hardly work
[13:42] <09FrieT> well, not every committee is for users directly eiter :)
[13:44] <09BlackDon> true. but all those committees are supposed to be crated, in the end, for users. they woundt be here without the users
[13:45] <09FrieT> although stuff like user-com should probably look into their user-bit :)
[13:45] <09FrieT> which is a personal opinion, not an official one, just for the record
[13:45] <09BlackDon> heh
[13:45] <09BlackDon> last question
[13:45] <09BlackDon> is undernet a cosy place to be?
[13:48] <09FrieT> (i'm lagging like hell on my network)
[13:48] <09FrieT> (wifi -- :))
[13:48] <09BlackDon> lol
[13:49] <09FrieT> is it a cosy place to be: not as cosy as an intimate network with 100 users you all personally know - but the next best thing.. :)
[13:49] <09FrieT> even some kiddies are reasonable sometimes, go figure ;)
[13:49] <09BlackDon> haha
[13:49] <09BlackDon> good point;)
[13:49] <09BlackDon> thank you FrieT for the wasted time
[13:49] <09FrieT> it's not wasted, is it? :P
[13:50] <09BlackDon> hope we'll see you when the event occurs
[13:50] <09BlackDon> glad to hear that too ;)
[13:50] <09FrieT> sure, i will be there, i'm planning on feeding some prizes on compo's or games :)
[13:51] <09BlackDon> hehe;)
[13:51] <09BlackDon> thanks again
[13:51] <09BlackDon> have a great day;)
[13:51] <09FrieT> same to you
[13:51] <09FrieT> good luck with the interviews ;-)
[13:52] <09BlackDon> thanks;)
[13:52] <09FrieT> thanks for wasting *your* time as well :)
[13:52] <09BlackDon> my pleasure. and hey, we're r-a mates. g:line some bots when we highlight you
[13:52] * BlackDon hides
[13:52] <09BlackDon> ;)
Session Close: Thu Nov 08 15:49:22 2007