oh, eh, hello synd (or a good lookalike), I'm not sure I can give you a cloak 8) Why? If you're synd, you're not really supposed to be able to be on freenode 8) Huh? the tor spamming we had wasn't really that nice and coming in a bit before to watch them doesn't really look good either So what makes you think I'm "synd" ? several things one, he has used this exact nick to request a cloak from me not too long ago second, he also did not follow any nicksetup steps prior to asking third, you're on his channels 8) sorry dude, but spam about running shemale escort services does tend to sink in deep and stick for a while So, anything substantial? not really something that makes people well-inclined and trusting nope, which is why you're still alive 8) That's what I thought So, cloak please? nope Why not? bad feeling And a cloak enables me to do what? Cloak my host from non-staffers yah I'm fully aware that Freenode does not cloak it from staff So what's the problem? that I think you're synd and synd shouldn't be on freenode Even if I *were* synd Why can't I have a cloak? and people who are not on freenode can't have cloaks 8) What does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do? synd is not supposed to be here at all But I am on Freenode for now I'm asking you what does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do Can you answer that w/o saying "but synd shouldn't be on Freenode" ? it is in some way a sign of accepting the client as a legal client/connection/person on freenode Oh is it? I wasn't aware at all that the Freenode guidelines said that at all Or are you just making this up to dodge my point? I'm saying that for you to get a cloak, I have to actively cloak you And I'm asking you what does a cloak enable me to do that you don't want me able to do as we do remove cloaks for spamming and trolling, I do not think I should set a cloak on someone I believe to be exactly that Why do you remove cloaks? What does that accomplish? people might not want their host to show because they are afraid of people doing vigilante replies to their spam Huh? What does that accomplish? Why do you remove cloaks? You have yet to answer also, it's symbolical A cloak is symbolical? a cloak is in a way the network hiding your hostname So is a proxy and Tor but that's not freenode hiding your hostname Why do you remove cloaks? What does that accomplish? "freenode refuses to hide your hostname or show your affiliation with some project if you refuse to be nice to people" 8) And where does that say that in the Freenode guidelines Or did you just make that up? they're guidelines, not rules this isn't a law book that you can read through and discover loopholes So did you just make up that rule? You are being extremely vague feel free to complain about it to staff at freenode dot net, but I'm applying what I consider "common sense" Common sense? What does removing a cloak do? extrapolating from existing rules and practices to a specific case technically, it causes services to issue a SETHOST command with ".dns" as a parameter And you Staff can look behind cloaks we can, that is true So what's the point in removing them? people on channels aren't staff So you want people's IPs exposed to everyone? sorry, I have stuff to do 8) like, eat Uh huh.