--- Log opened Wed Nov 28 16:45:25 2007
16:45  -!- Irssi: Starting query in PSI with Melissa
16:45 «Melissa» lol fake long paste
16:45 «Melissa» (15:37:49) (&Melissa) OS is ew
16:45 «Melissa» (15:37:50) (&Melissa) :(
16:45 «Melissa» (15:37:57) (~Heretik) I know xD
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:02) (~Heretik) XP is worse
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:03) (&Melissa) reminds me of Windows Me
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:07) (&Melissa) Me was terrible
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:08) (~Heretik) so is vista
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:12) (&Melissa) Vista isn't that bad
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:14) (&Melissa) <3 XP
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:14) (&Melissa) :(
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:17) (~Heretik) SHUN!!!!!!
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:21) (&Melissa) >:O
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:21) (~Heretik) SHUNNNNNN!!!!
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:26) (&Melissa) I have more oper power than you
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:28) (&Melissa) I can hurrrrrt
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:29) (&Melissa) o.o
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:36) (~Heretik) ...
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:43) (~Heretik) I run a link, I dont think you have more power
16:45 «Melissa» (15:38:51) (&Melissa) it wasn't my call :P
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:09) (&Melissa) at least I don't have ROOT. D:
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:15) (~Heretik) Services Admin > Network Admin
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:19) (&Melissa) uh
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:20) (&Melissa) what
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:21) (&Melissa) no
16:45 «Melissa» (15:39:37) (&Melissa) you're using the wrong sign there
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:01) (~Heretik) as long as services are U:Line, no
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:13) (&Melissa) what
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:19) (&Melissa) I should be ulined
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:22) (&Melissa) brb tracking someone down
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:30) (~Heretik) lmfao, no, no you shouldnt
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:41) (&Melissa) why not? :o
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:43) (~Heretik) only thing that should EVER be U:Lined is the services
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:48) (&Melissa) o.O
16:45 «Melissa» (15:42:56) (&Melissa) netadmins run networks
16:45 «Melissa» (15:43:04) (&Melissa) and are almost always ulined
16:45 «Melissa» (15:43:27) (~Heretik) dumb thing to do imo
16:45 «Melissa» (15:43:38) (~Heretik) and you cant exactly do it
16:45 «Melissa» (15:43:55) (~Heretik) U:Line is privledged link
16:46 «Melissa» (15:44:07) (~Heretik) your not a link
16:46 «Melissa» (15:44:16) (~Heretik) your in the user class of connections
16:46 «Melissa» (15:44:26) (~Heretik) you cant have a U:Line
16:46 «Melissa» COME SUPPORT MY ARGUMENT
16:46 «Melissa» ;A;
16:47 «Kefka» your
16:47 «Melissa» yeah
16:47 «Melissa» :(
16:47 «Kefka» -16:46:02- «Melissa» (15:44:16) (~Heretik) your in the user class of connections
16:47 «Kefka» -16:46:02- «Melissa» (15:44:26) (~Heretik) you cant have a U:Line
16:47 «Kefka» What
16:47 «Kefka» What the fool is this hellery
16:47 «Melissa» I was wondering the same ;A;
16:47 «Melissa» also
16:47 «Melissa» I'm missing a few snomasks
16:47 «Melissa» if not many
16:48 «Kefka» You can apply them yourself
16:48 «Kefka» lol
16:48 «Kefka» /umode2 +s +snomasks
16:48 «Melissa» I don't remember which ones I'm missing
16:48 «Melissa» ;A;
16:49 «Melissa» GET THE UFCK IN THERE AND HELP ME
16:49 «Melissa» ;A;
16:49 «Kefka» Is that person a staff member
16:49 «Kefka» Ew
16:49 «Kefka» Forget it
16:49 «Melissa» wtf
16:50 «Melissa» it won't let me paste
16:50 «Melissa» (15:45:23) (~Heretik) if your running a network, you pretty much have to have an O:Line if your care about the network in the slightest
16:50 «Melissa» (15:45:32) (&Melissa) I'm aware of that
16:50 «Melissa» (15:45:37) (&Melissa) but there are classes of olines too
16:50 «Melissa» (15:45:58) (~Heretik) Yes, and one of them is netadmin, all that netadmin does is set a number of flags by default
16:50 «Melissa» (15:46:00) (&Melissa) man I miss having a server =/
16:50 «Melissa» (15:46:45) (~Heretik) and operoverride isnt one of them as far as I am aware, you can do it through the services, but not by hand, and services admin override isnt set by default for anything either.
16:50 «Melissa» (15:47:50) (&Melissa) oper-override is a umode, if memory serves
16:50 «Melissa» (15:47:56) (&Melissa) I might be remembering wrong though
16:50 «Melissa» (15:48:00) (~Heretik) O:Line
16:50 «Melissa» (15:48:17) (~Heretik) U:Line is set specificly for a single link
16:50 «Melissa» (15:48:20) (&Melissa) what
16:50 «Melissa» (15:48:59) (~Heretik) it allows all commands, in addition to a few special ones that allow it to bypass restrictions, its godmode, whatever happens on a U:Lined link, goes, and is obeyed
16:50 «Kefka» -_-
16:50 «Kefka» http://www.angrywolf.org/m_uline.c
16:50 «Kefka» Link the retard to that
16:50 «Kefka» D:
16:51 «Kefka» "whatever happens on a U:Lined link, goes, and is obeyed
16:51 «Kefka» No
16:51 «Kefka» Not if it conflicts with other servers
16:51 «Kefka» Like timestamps
16:51 «Kefka» -_-
16:51 «Melissa» then YOu come tell him that ;A;
16:51 «Kefka» If that's a freaking server owner
16:52 «Melissa» sounds like it is
16:52 «Melissa» =/
16:52 «Kefka» Then I'm going to wait until BD puts his box back up
16:52 «Kefka» :|
16:52 «Melissa» you need to go do some TEACHING
16:52 «Melissa» >:O
16:52 «Kefka» Also he might be putting his server back up Dec. 12
16:52 «Melissa» w00t
16:52 «Melissa» but
16:52 «Kefka» We ran soem tests
16:52 «Kefka» some
16:52 «Kefka» And they passed
16:52 «Melissa» you still need to educate this poor soul :(
16:53 «Kefka» He sounds like Davey_RootBeer from StarFusion
16:53 «Melissa» lol
16:53 «Melissa» also
16:53 «Kefka» "I KNOW WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT I KNOW IS RIGHT"
16:53 «Kefka» "ALSO UHHHHHHHHH"
16:53 «Melissa» what's the command for ulining? ;A;
16:53 «Kefka» "UHHHHHHHH"
16:53 «Melissa» I forgot
16:53 «Kefka» /uline
16:53 «Kefka» But
16:53 «Melissa» uh
16:53 «Kefka» It has to be installed
16:53 «Kefka» Which it isn't
16:53 «Melissa» wait
16:53 «Melissa» then how the HELL does he think HE's ulined
16:53 «Kefka» It doesn't come with Unreal :P
16:53 «Melissa» if he doesn't even have it installed? o.O
16:53 «Kefka» SERVERS can be U:Lined 
16:54 «Kefka» And that's what he's talking about
16:54 «Melissa» oh
16:54 «Melissa» (15:53:21) (~Heretik) U:Lines are not petty things to set, its something that has lots of discussion among network staff before it happens.
16:54 «Kefka» Usually only services and stats
16:54 «Melissa» lollllll
16:54 «Kefka» lol what
16:54 «Kefka» I have /uline in my SigTerm perform
16:54 «Kefka» -,-
16:54 «Melissa» lol
16:54 «Kefka» -16:54:43- SigTerm: nick: Kefka, username: Crimson, realname: Kefka Palazzo, autosendcmd: oper kefka kp16393uv;/^msg NickServ identify kp16393;/wait 10;/quote uline Kefka;/wait 50;/join #KefkasTower,#blindmutechat
16:54 «Kefka» -_-
16:55  * Melissa hax
16:55 «Kefka» :P
16:55 «Melissa» ok
16:55 «Melissa» COME DO SOME EDUATING
16:55 «Melissa» *educating
16:55 «Melissa» ;a;
16:55 «Melissa» ;a;
16:55 «Kefka» I'd rather not D:
16:55 «Melissa» :(
16:56 «Melissa» I can't do it by myself
16:56 «Kefka» And I'd prefer to stay away from butthole server owners
16:56 «Kefka» It's like accepting Jouva's link to PSIBlade.net all over again
16:56 «Kefka» -,-
16:56 «Melissa» (15:54:17) (~Heretik) doesnt even exist on most ircd soft
16:56 «Melissa» (15:54:31) (&Melissa) yeah
16:56 «Melissa» (15:54:40) (&Melissa) I"m surprised you don't have the module for it installed. D:
16:56 «Melissa» (15:55:12) (~Heretik) I dont have to have it, it would be loaded if I had any U:Lines in my config
16:56 «Melissa» (15:55:41) (~Heretik) FD is the only one who needs it
16:57 «Kefka» What
16:57 «Kefka» He'd dumb
16:57 «Kefka» ALL SERVERS HAVE ULINE CAPABILITY
16:57 «Kefka» He's*
16:57 «Melissa» lol
16:57 «Melissa» if you think that's dumb
16:57 «Melissa» then you should see what I'm gonna paste as soon as I get it
16:57 «Melissa» ;A;
16:57 «Kefka» ;A;
16:57 «Melissa» (15:56:29) (~Heretik) I'm actually somewhat against the idea of services, I favor the old style of administration. EFnet style
16:57 «Kefka» ...
16:57 «Melissa» :(
16:58 «Kefka» ;AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:;;;;;;;;;;;;
16:58 «Melissa» I told you
16:58 «Melissa» ;A;
16:59 «Kefka» Oh
16:59 «Kefka» Do a /module on there
16:59 «Kefka» And paste it to me
16:59 «Kefka» :o
17:00 «Melissa» (15:59:34) -firedragon.sytes.net- *** cloak - $Id: cloak.c,v 1.1.2.3 2005/02/04 00:26:37 syzop Exp $ (Official cloaking module (md5))
17:00 «Melissa» (15:59:34) -firedragon.sytes.net- *** commands - $Id: l_commands.c,v 1.1.2.63.2.11 2007/01/22 12:46:54 syzop Exp $ (Wrapper library for m_ commands)
17:00 «Melissa» (15:59:34) -firedragon.sytes.net- Hooks: 6 13 15 16
17:00 «Melissa» (15:59:34) -firedragon.sytes.net- Override:
17:00 «Kefka» ... -____-
17:00 «Melissa» translation?
17:00 «Kefka» No modules
17:00 «Kefka» at all
17:00 «Kefka» D:
17:00 «Melissa» D:
17:00 «Kefka» cloak and commands are givens
17:01 «Melissa» (15:58:27) (~Heretik) I like the original idea that Opers only are there to maintain the links and the servers, keeping them stable.
17:01 «Melissa» (15:58:51) (~Heretik) Kill and K:Line is the only thing you can really do as an oper.
17:01 «Melissa» (15:58:55) (&Melissa) then what happens when someone goes around spreading viruses? D:
17:01 «Melissa» (15:59:06) (&Melissa) don't forget teh favored gline
17:01 «Melissa» (15:59:11) (&Melissa) and Z:line
17:01 «Melissa» (15:59:40) (~Heretik) G:Line and Z:Line are nice yes, but they affect the whole network, and should be deliberated before being implemented
17:01 «Melissa» (15:59:52) (&Melissa) uh
17:01 «Melissa» (15:59:56) (&Melissa) if someone's spreading viruses
17:01 «Melissa» (16:00:00) (&Melissa) there's no TIME for deliberating
17:01 «Melissa» (16:00:24) (~Heretik) You have to understand that its as much the users fault for accepting random files and opening random links
17:01 «Melissa» (16:00:37) (&Melissa) some are also forced DCCs
17:01 «Melissa» (16:00:43) (&Melissa) I've seen it happen a lot
17:02 «Kefka» What the hell 
17:02 «Kefka» People are TRICKED into that if you don't do something about it
17:02 «Kefka» Like a spamfilter
17:02 «Melissa» that's right
17:02 «Melissa» (16:02:13) (~Heretik) hybrid and ratbox are amazing ircds
17:02 «Melissa» heard of either of those?
17:04 «Kefka» Yes
17:04 «Kefka» And they SUCK
17:05 «Kefka» Hyrbid's TOLERABLE
17:05 «Kefka» But nothing beyond that
17:05 «Kefka» They're minimalist IRCd's
17:06 «Kefka» HAHAHAHAHAHAA
17:06 «Kefka» -17:06:11- [ctcp(Heretik)] VERSION
17:06 «Kefka» -17:06:11- CTCP VERSION reply from Heretik: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey
17:06 «Kefka» I laughed
17:06 «Kefka» Hard
17:06 «Kefka» D:
17:06 «Melissa» zomg
17:06 «Melissa» XD
17:06 «Kefka» Mister expert
17:06 «Kefka» On Windows
17:06 «Kefka» And
17:06 «Kefka» Outdated mIRC to boot
17:07 «Melissa» oper up mister
17:07 «Melissa» :O
--- Log closed Wed Nov 28 17:12:16 2007


--- Log opened Wed Nov 28 17:07:03 2007
17:07  -!- Kefka [crimson@NetAdmin.SigTerm.org] has joined #opers
17:07  -!- Irssi: #opers: Total of 4 nicks [0 ops, 1 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal]
17:07  -!- Irssi: Join to #opers was synced in 5 secs
17:07 «&Melissa» ennnnnnnnn
17:07 « Kefka» What the hell
17:07 «&Melissa» what
17:07  -!- mode/#opers [+sO] by Kefka
17:07 «~Heretik» and just what are you doing Kefka?
17:08 «&Melissa» I wish I'd noticed that
17:08 «&Melissa» you don't want anyone to be able to get into a staff channel D:
17:08 «&Melissa» *just anyone
17:08 «~Heretik» I was referring to the version request.
17:09 « Kefka» o_O
17:09 «&Melissa» what
17:09 «&Melissa» oh
17:09 « Kefka» It's called... seeing what client you're using
17:09 «&Melissa» there's nothing wrong with it :P
17:09 « Kefka» ZOMG VERSION HIT THE DECK
17:10 «&Melissa» XD
17:10 « Kefka» Also services
17:10 « Kefka» Blasphemy
17:10 « Kefka» Who dares to make IRC more convenient and easy for the average user to understand
17:10 « Kefka» They should be hung
17:10 «&Melissa» o.o
17:10 «&Melissa» be nice
17:11  * Heretik high-5s Kefka
17:11 «~Heretik» Finally somebody with a similar view
17:11 « Kefka» Hahahaha
17:11 «&Melissa» what
17:11 « Kefka» lol fake sarcasm
17:11 « Kefka» EFNet is livable though
17:12 « Kefka» I just prefer simple services like the original IRC Services
17:12 «&Melissa» Kefka
17:12 « Kefka» Anope is so unneededly bloated
17:12 «&Melissa» remember LoveServ?
17:12 «&Melissa» LOL UNNECESSARY SERVICE
17:12 « Kefka» Haha
17:12 « Kefka» Well
17:12 « Kefka» That was part of a stats package 
17:12 «&Melissa» I know
17:12 « Kefka» NeoStats, I thinkl
17:12 «&Melissa» what
17:12 «&Melissa» we had NeoStats
17:12 «&Melissa» I don't remember LoveServ being in it
17:13 « Kefka» Do you want to build unnecessary services [Yes] n
17:13 «&Melissa» XD
17:13 «&Melissa» what was the other ones like that
17:13 «&Melissa» MoraleServ?
17:13 « Kefka» It had the option for LoveServ, MoraleServ, 
17:13 « Kefka» yes
17:13 « Kefka» StupidServ was fun, but I could do that with a butt
17:13 « Kefka» ...
17:13 « Kefka» bot*
17:13 «&Melissa» what
17:13 «&Melissa» ther ewas a StupidServ?
17:13 «&Melissa» I did not see this
17:13 «&Melissa» ;-;
17:14 «&Melissa» brb changing pants
17:14 « Kefka» Whoa
17:14  * Heretik runs away.
17:14 « Kefka» StupidServ has THAT kind of effect?
17:14 « Kefka» :O
17:14  -!- mode/#opers [+o Kefka] by Heretik
17:16 «&Melissa» XD
17:16 «&Melissa» moar like
17:16 «&Melissa» I've been wearing PJ's all day
17:16 «&Melissa» D:
17:17 «@Kefka» lol
17:17 «@Kefka» I've been wearing PJ's for weeks
17:17 «@Kefka» Well
17:17 «&Melissa» ;A;
17:17 «@Kefka» Not consistantly
17:17 «@Kefka» XD
17:17 «@Kefka» I change
17:18 «&Melissa» good to know
17:18 «&Melissa» :P
17:18 «&Melissa» lol
17:18 «&Melissa» you should find some FF6 PJs
17:18 «~Heretik» I bet FD fix his services config by changing the aliases for what server it sends things to.
17:18 «&Melissa» with Kefka all over them
17:18 «~Heretik» *didnt
17:18 «@Kefka» But I've had a grey shirt and sweat pants on
17:18 «@Kefka» Heretik: Aliases?
17:18 «@Kefka» If you mean /ns and all that
17:18 «@Kefka» I added those :P
17:18 «&Melissa» what
17:19 «&Melissa» yay
17:19 «&Melissa» ns is nice
17:19 «&Melissa» :(
17:19 «~Heretik» you also changed the link name for services, or somebody did, and it fucked over all my aliases
17:19 «@Kefka» You could just change services-server
17:19 «@Kefka» o.O
17:19 «~Heretik» I did
17:19 «&Melissa» ok
17:19 «&Melissa» you guys fight
17:19 «&Melissa» I'll bbl
17:20 «~Heretik» it wasnt exactly a needed change though, I'm a little annoyed it was changed just for the hell of it
17:22 «@Kefka» Um, alright
17:22 «@Kefka» Tell FireDragon his request to link to the SigTerm IRC network has been indefinitely denied
17:22 «@Kefka» Due to "staff" problems
17:23 «~Heretik» You tell him, hes online, I dont have to push messages at him for you.
17:24 «@Kefka» And that's a prime example of "why not", right there
--- Log closed Wed Nov 28 17:24:40 2007