[2007-11-29 15:54] [INFO] Now logging to . [2007-11-29 15:54] [INFO] Query view for ``johnw_'' opened. [2007-11-29 15:54] are you a staffer I can discuss this with? [2007-11-29 15:54] === johnw_ ``John Wiegley'' [2007-11-29 15:54] === johnw_: member of #freenode [2007-11-29 15:54] === johnw_: attached to irc.freenode.net ``http://freenode.net/'' [2007-11-29 15:54] --- End of WHOIS information for johnw_. [2007-11-29 15:54] i'm not a staffer, but i'm helping them. [2007-11-29 15:55] this concerns #lisp [2007-11-29 15:55] there are ops there who have actually kickban'd newbies for continuing to ask "stupid questions" [2007-11-29 15:56] well [2007-11-29 15:56] it's their channel [2007-11-29 15:56] ok, i was just wondering what freenode policy was [2007-11-29 15:56] there's no freenode/staff/* on access list for #lisp [2007-11-29 15:56] as original founder of #emacs, I find that kind of attitude toward newcomers reprehensible [2007-11-29 15:56] so unless there's no some sort of clone attack or troll flood, i don't think staff will intervent [2007-11-29 15:57] i figured it couldn't hurt to ask [2007-11-29 15:57] sure [2007-11-29 15:57] my own response is a healthy ignore list [2007-11-29 15:57] thanks unic0rn [2007-11-29 15:57] well [2007-11-29 15:57] you can always try to talk with ops of #lisp [2007-11-29 15:57] and suggest them reading freenode channel guidelines [2007-11-29 15:57] at http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml [2007-11-29 15:57] having been insulted many times myself already, I prefer to avoid them entirely [2007-11-29 15:58] because this kind of behavior is against freenode policy/suggestions [2007-11-29 15:58] well [2007-11-29 15:58] there are channels which owners don't want any staff intervention [2007-11-29 15:58] and this is simply respected [2007-11-29 15:58] i'm not sure what's the situation with #lisp [2007-11-29 15:58] i didn't realize [2007-11-29 15:58] but again, banning people belongs to #lisp ops free will [2007-11-29 15:59] they can do that, they own that channel, not freenode staff [2007-11-29 15:59] ah [2007-11-29 15:59] thanks again unic0rn [2007-11-29 16:00] staff intervenst mostly if there's some serious issue like trolling and flood or clone attack, and there's no channel op online [2007-11-29 16:00] no problem