[23:14] Bille: the difference between the kopete* and metacontact_* state icons is that the kopete* ones are for the actual user and the metacontact_* ones for the items in the contact list, right? [23:15] metacontact is fusion of several contacts into one contactlist item [23:15] jpetso: right, kopete_ is for the local users current state. [23:15] metacontact are the Hated Blue Heads on the contact list. [23:15] Bille: just so that i get the point, why are those two different kinds of icons? [23:16] metacontact needs to be something relatively simple; if the user is not using Detailed contact list style there will be a lot of them [23:16] jpetso: simple. Me vs You. if you can't tell the difference between those you may become schizo [23:16] Bille: btw, i don't see any Hated Blue Heads because I'm using Lila [23:16] yeah yeah [23:17] (Lila go! Lila go! and Oxygen.) [23:17] well, kwwii did the hated blue heads for me when he was still at novell. i like them but nobody else seems to. [23:17] before we had them we had yellow smileys, which were ok, but a bit twee en masse. [23:17] and for a comparison: pidgin now uses coloured circles onlyl. [23:17] only [23:18] * Bille uses HighContrast-SVG + Monochrome, but i'm weird. [23:18] so does Lila, if you leave out the fact that it also does triangles instead of circles [23:18] ok, i think i got the point [23:19] alright. i'm open to suggestions, but i would be a bit afraid of being overwhelmed by a large number of very detailed icons. [23:19] i still find it a bit unfortunate that there are two kinds of icons, but it's a sound reasoning [23:19] jpetso: i think if it was the same icon, people would think the Status action would have some effect on the metacontacts. [23:20] generally our icons show the item they act upon. [23:21] Bille: let me have a look at how the icons in Tango look... [23:21] ah, Tango. the people who use a picture of a hard disk drive for Save As. clever folk, those. [23:22] right, i hate that too [23:22] but the naming spec is alright, mostly [23:23] mostly. not universally. but it's the best we've got for achieving cross-desktop interoperability [23:23] view-preview is good btw [23:24] neato [23:24] wstephens * r743146 kopete/trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/urlpicpreview/ (kopete_urlpicpreview.desktop ox32-app-urlpicpreview.png): Use standard icon instead of crystal legacy [23:24] jpetso: i appreciate your sorting these out, thanks. [23:25] Bille: someone needs to help those poor theme creators, like i was once at a time [23:26] Bille: the Kopete icons are not the easiest ones to figure out, don't know why [23:26] it's nice to discover bug in program you use once in a year [23:27] Bille: btw, could you please grep your Kopete sources for the "\"edit\"" icon and replace that with "object-edit"? the release-critical rename, you know [23:33] --> taupter-uni has joined this channel (i=c90953d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8affc12288f3a142). [23:34] domme: ping [23:37] taupter-uni: cam was dispatched to me today [23:38] taupter-uni: sending you my bank details [23:38] jpetso: appears that object-edit is good everywhere already [23:39] jpetso: i just did grepping [23:39] cconnell: oh, that's cool [23:40] could be that Hiếu Hoàng (or whoever?) already fixed it [23:40] i didn't know as i'm only subscribed to kdelibs, kdebase/runtime and kdevelop commits [23:42] Bille: as far as i can see, both Pidgin and Adium use those "simple" icons only [23:42] Bille: Nice. [23:43] Bille: what would you think about sticking to those and overlaying them on the "user" icon for the user state? [23:43] Bille: I'm unable to check my e-mail right now (at uni). I'll see it and act upon asap. [23:43] --> ahmed-tux has joined this channel (n=ahmed@adsl196-237-66-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma). [23:44] jpetso: if the 'user' icon is clear enough. [23:44] hi all [23:44] taupter-uni: no hurry, i don't know what postage will cost yet. [23:44] hi Bille and taupter-uni [23:44] ahmed-tux: Hi, friend. [23:45] jpetso: one suggestion: just do a larger version of the very simple overlay icons we use for contact status [23:45] Bille: clear enough, like, in which way approximately? (as compared to the current "user" icon in the actions category) [23:45] jpetso: and i think it's a good one [23:45] and overlay that with a 'user' icon for the different 'user' states. [23:46] that's what i meant, yes [23:46] ok great [23:46] so you have the 1/4 dark clock for away [23:46] 3/4 dark for extended away [23:46] * taupter-uni going out. See you soon, fellas. [23:46] how're you taupter-uni long time [23:46] *** leinir is now known as leinirAWAY. [23:46] the "one way" sign for Busy/not available [23:47] we might need something different for offline. [23:47] maybe a dashed circle? [23:47] and if the status icons are changed by selecting another theme, the user state icon always changes accordingly [23:47] now why did i close that pidgin tarball download. [23:47] ugh [23:48] * Bille finds a lot of "edit" s [23:49] all in ~ files though [23:50] Bille: I also noticed that Kopete's SVN contains a "kopetestatusmessage" icon which is quite similar to the "edit" one [23:50] Bille: don't know if you still use that, but [23:51] Bille: if you do, you could change it to object-edit-status-message, then it uses this name if it exists and falls back to object-edit if it doesn't [23:51] ah, ok. good idea [23:51] <-- taupter-uni has left this server ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"). [23:52] --> ervin has joined this channel (n=ipsquad@82.255.111.174). [23:53] Bille: Pidgin uses a gray "X" icon for the offline state, much like our "window-close" one [23:55] jpetso: ic [23:56] Adium uses a red circle (3d), as far as i can see [23:56] they're doing everything by color coding, it seems [23:56] mac. ts. [23:56] which i hate [23:56] since i sit next to a colourblind guy