Nov 29 19:26:46 I feel like I'm in a PKD novel Nov 29 19:33:29 PKD? Nov 29 19:33:35 Philip K Dick Nov 29 19:33:36 * Sabbot sets ban on *yipe*!*@12-218-171-233.client.mchsi.com Nov 29 19:33:36 * Sabbot has kicked yipe from #wicca (Profanity is not welcome here.) Nov 29 19:33:54 I see a problem with your bot. Nov 29 19:34:49 * Faustus giggles to death Nov 29 19:36:20 * JulieAnn removes ban on *yipe*!*@12-218-171-233.client.mchsi.com Nov 29 19:36:27 * yipe (~Yipely@12-218-171-233.client.mchsi.com) has joined #wicca Nov 29 19:36:32 that was stupid Nov 29 19:36:33 There's not a problem with the bot. Nov 29 19:36:42 Typically, that's a word used as a curse. Nov 29 19:36:46 it's because I said "d!ck" Nov 29 19:37:05 this is the problem with using bots like this, I don't like it Nov 29 19:37:21 The bot is here to stay. Period. Nov 29 19:37:31 it needs a code update Nov 29 19:37:49 People know it has triggers for curse words. You can alter your behaviors to accommodate. Nov 29 19:37:56 no one told me! Nov 29 19:38:13 And now you know it has the trigger. You were unbanned, weren't you? Nov 29 19:38:17 well, we just did Nov 29 19:38:27 still stupid, you're making this chan suck JulieAnn Nov 29 19:38:35 *I* did not recommend the bot. Nov 29 19:38:41 It was requested by TechieDragon. Nov 29 19:38:50 I had the means by which to create the bot. Nov 29 19:38:54 you made the bot though, did he request an auto-kick feature? Nov 29 19:38:56 dude, the bot is here so that when trollers come in and theres no ops you guys don't have to put up with it Nov 29 19:39:04 The scripts that are IN the bot were requested BY techiedragon. Nov 29 19:39:18 all I know is that this chan used to be very free, and now it is very oppressive Nov 29 19:39:25 The kicking for curses, the deopping of idle ops, re-opping of non-idle ops, etc. Nov 29 19:39:35 Mindwalker I love that you're actually using /away now Nov 29 19:39:42 dude, its just an op bot! it's not like we're limiting the amount of religions we allow to enter here! Nov 29 19:39:45 * nude-chef (nacho_dadd@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) has joined #wicca Nov 29 19:39:51 The bot kicking when someone floods was also requested by TD. Nov 29 19:40:10 flooding is fine, I have no problem with flooders being kicked out Nov 29 19:40:18 who do i send my request to Nov 29 19:40:25 kicking me for naming my favorite author sucks Nov 29 19:40:35 phillip k dick Nov 29 19:40:35 * Sabbot sets ban on *nude-chef*!*@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net Nov 29 19:40:35 Just because I implement the codes or scripts does not mean they were my ideas. Nov 29 19:40:36 * Sabbot has kicked nude-chef from #wicca (Profanity is not welcome here.) Nov 29 19:40:46 * JulieAnn removes ban on *nude-chef*!*@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net Nov 29 19:40:47 * nude-chef (nacho_dadd@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) has joined #wicca Nov 29 19:40:48 and does it have to auto-ban? Nov 29 19:40:51 hahahaha Nov 29 19:40:52 can't it just kick? Nov 29 19:40:56 dick nixon Nov 29 19:40:57 * Sabbot sets ban on *nude-chef*!*@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net Nov 29 19:40:57 * Sabbot has kicked nude-chef from #wicca (Profanity is not welcome here.) Nov 29 19:41:07 That's the way it was requested to be set up. Nov 29 19:41:12 yipe: some clients have auto rejoin Nov 29 19:41:24 and? They'll still see that they were kicked Nov 29 19:41:34 Otherwise, it can just keep kicking people, having them rejoin, and cuss like a sailor for no reason. When an op is around, we can remove the ban. Nov 29 19:41:40 it's changing the behaviour that you want, right? Nov 29 19:41:43 yipe: the purpose of a kick isn't to warn people, its to remove abusers Nov 29 19:41:43 * JulieAnn removes ban on *nude-chef*!*@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net Nov 29 19:42:14 these are very big changes of philosophy for this chan Nov 29 19:42:22 No. If the person is banned for a couple of hours because they were an idiot and decided to curse when no ops were around to remove the ban within a few minutes, then that's their problem. Nov 29 19:42:34 dude, it's always been you get kicked for swearing i've been here for four years Nov 29 19:42:43 The rules have been around and available for longer than I've been here. Nov 29 19:42:46 Nobody told me that the bot had an autokickban script for swears. Now I know, by demonstration. Nov 29 19:42:50 in fact as i remember it this channel is MORE free now than it was before Nov 29 19:42:59 we used to be very utilitarian, there weren't rules but people causing trouble were removed Nov 29 19:43:30 now we're deontologists, we have a rule list and punishments are assigned in a linear, mathematical way Nov 29 19:43:35 * nude-chef (nacho_dadd@dialup-4.152.222.130.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) has joined #wicca Nov 29 19:43:49 that, to me, is a HUGE step backwards Nov 29 19:43:53 The bot is here to enforce the rules that were here before I started coming around the channel. It was requested by the channel founder, not suggested by me. Nov 29 19:43:55 1984 Nov 29 19:44:05 If you have a problem, talk to Techie about it. Nov 29 19:44:07 yipe: it's an irc channel, not a political movement :/ Nov 29 19:44:22 Faustus this chan has politics, look at JulieAnn Nov 29 19:44:26 she's Hilary Nov 29 19:44:29 what if my name was richard Nov 29 19:44:59 nude-chef: The bans are removed on a case-by-case basis. the word you were kicked for is typically used as a curse word. :P Nov 29 19:45:01 she was nothing, but she clawed her way to the top, and now everyone hates her :P Nov 29 19:45:20 Hate me all you want to, yipe. Nov 29 19:45:25 though we all love her husband :P Nov 29 19:45:26 I really couldn't give a crap less. Nov 29 19:45:41 I would reccomend that the bot not do the auto-ban if the swear starts with a 'd' and ends with an "ick". Nov 29 19:46:04 same here, it's also a non-swear Nov 29 19:46:05 Mindwalker: There are many cases where using that particular word would be offensive in nature. Nov 29 19:46:09 i wanna go on record to say this chat room has changed for the worse Nov 29 19:46:12 yipe: i'm sorry to say that we're not the rulemakers here Nov 29 19:46:18 Of course, we hate her because she hates us. Nov 29 19:46:22 Faustus I hate that you're fighting me on this Nov 29 19:46:32 * MananAtma agrees with nude-chef Nov 29 19:46:37 There are also "curse words" that were left out of the "list" of curses. Nov 29 19:46:43 yipe: because i agree with JulieAnn? I'm entitled to take a stance on my opinion Nov 29 19:46:43 * yipe agrees with nude-chef and MananAtma and himself Nov 29 19:46:46 JulieAnn, I'm saying that you could still kick them, but only ban for the always-swears, like f-bombs and n-words. Nov 29 19:46:57 Faustus because you're fighting in favor of tighter controls Nov 29 19:47:00 n words Nov 29 19:47:04 you're taking away your own freedom Nov 29 19:47:22 Mindwalker: Did I not remove the bans pretty much immediately? Nov 29 19:47:25 i always thought wicca in general was about community Nov 29 19:47:46 oh for christ sake, it's not like she's a dictator! and you lot are ganging up on her anyway, all she's doing is enforcing the rules that TD set Nov 29 19:47:51 I agree with Mindwalker, there are words that you could kick and I wouldn't think there was a problem, but when I get kicked for talking about PKD and nixon, that's dumb as hell Nov 29 19:47:58 It's a problem with the automation. Since it's a robot, it's not looking at the context. When someone is kicked by a human being for saying the d-word, it's because the human could tell how it was. Nov 29 19:48:02 As soon as I notice the bot has kicked someone for something that should not have been kick/ban worthy, I remove the ban. Period. Nov 29 19:48:03 Religious chat rooms should not be regulated by bots, they should be watched over by humans who care about the religion in question. Nov 29 19:48:12 Yes, if you notice it. Nov 29 19:48:25 If it's something that deserves to stay in place for a few minutes, I'll leave it. Nov 29 19:48:37 Remember that site on /away etiquette? It mentions that users don't watch the chat like hawks. Nov 29 19:49:21 Mindwalker: that's as much a reason for the bot as it is against it, i'm sure you'd agree that the ops aren't going to be watching like hawks for trollers and the likes Nov 29 19:49:21 Whatever. I can discuss code improvements and AI theory at some other point. Like, next week. Nov 29 19:50:08 Faustus, I'm saying, kick for dnullick, but don't ban for it. I see the auto-ban as a problem. Nov 29 19:50:23 As I said before. It's something that TechieDragon requested be implemented, so I implemented it. Period. Nov 29 19:50:29 Mindwalker: as far as I know Sabbot removes the ban after a short while anyway doesn't she? Nov 29 19:50:39 I wouldn't know. Nov 29 19:50:40 she? Nov 29 19:50:45 * Faustus shrugs Nov 29 19:50:51 does a pagan stand a chance to become an op in #wicca Nov 29 19:50:55 i'm used to bots being she's Nov 29 19:51:08 No, the bot does not remove bans. The bot leaves all bans on the ban list permanently until an op removes them. Nov 29 19:51:12 nude-chef: no, apparently you have to be a utilitarian dictator Nov 29 19:51:20 ah Nov 29 19:51:35 yeah that utlilitarian remark was sarcastic btwe Nov 29 19:51:38 btw* Nov 29 19:51:43 i was gone almost a month, and came back to this Nov 29 19:51:49 lol Nov 29 19:51:52 i need another beer Nov 29 19:52:59 I don't see anyone that mentioned utilitarianism but me, and I was dead serious Nov 29 19:53:05 * nude-chef is now known as nude_chef Nov 29 19:53:07 oh there it is Nov 29 19:53:53 it's better, when people of such different ideologies come together, to make the rules based on mutual annoyance, rather than a list of rules that some agree to and some don't Nov 29 19:54:14 I can understand not wanting swearing, I can Nov 29 19:54:26 but this is too much, you're suffocating this chan Nov 29 19:54:39 You act like I am the one who made the rules. Nov 29 19:54:49 You forget that I was not around when those rules were made. Nov 29 19:55:03 someone needs to talk to techiedragon Nov 29 19:55:07 because this isn't working out Nov 29 19:55:17 yipe: are you breaking up with me then? Nov 29 19:55:24 notice that we're slowly losing people? Nov 29 19:55:35 Then talk to him. I'm getting sick of listening to you whine about it every week. Nov 29 19:55:51 he's never here! Nov 29 19:56:13 don't you think I'm getting sick of you? Aren't you newer than me? Nov 29 19:56:19 /memoserv send Techiedragon Nov 29 19:56:48 Send him a memo. I just showed you how. Nov 29 19:56:57 yipe: how long people have been frequenting the chan is irrelevant. There's a reason TD made JulieAnn an op and i'd guess it to be a good one Nov 29 19:57:33 it's not irrelevant Nov 29 19:58:07 yipe, yes it is. Nov 29 19:58:35 I don't think TechieDragon really knew what Julieann is like, because I've talked to him many times in private about matters of chan policy, and he always seemed to be very easy-going, having similar points of view to my own Nov 29 19:58:51 suddenly all that turns around about the same time we get this new op and he stops coming in? Nov 29 19:58:55 sounds suspicious to m Nov 29 19:59:00 me* Nov 29 19:59:08 If the founder and the SOp of the channel trust me to be an op in the channel, and they don't trust you, something in your theory must be a little flawed there, yipe. Nov 29 19:59:17 Not long ago a Buhdist got made founder because she was lurking here the longest, and this chan became the most anti-Wiccan chat you can imagine. Nov 29 19:59:25 And Techie is not around right now because he has exams until December 5th or so. Nov 29 19:59:38 After that time, he should be back around more often. Nov 29 19:59:40 MananAtma: ah i remember her Nov 29 19:59:41 well we should wait til we have the channel operator, and a few ops, to discus this Nov 29 19:59:47 i remember as well Nov 29 20:00:20 one of the people who helped found this channel got kicked a couple days ago Nov 29 20:00:23 * MananAtma has not seen any anti-Wiccan attitudes from JulieAnn. Nov 29 20:00:30 JulieAnn, you were around when those rules were made. Maybe you didn't make them, but you were around. Nov 29 20:00:48 Mindwalker: I only started coming around here about... oh... 4 or 5 months ago. Nov 29 20:01:01 Those rules were already around when I started coming here. Nov 29 20:01:28 So no, I wasn't around when those rules were made. Nov 29 20:01:43 yipe, you have made your point, and I agree with it. I recommend you chill out and let the OP's discuss it amongst themselves. Nov 29 20:02:03 but they won't Nov 29 20:02:04 Dec 5th or so? Where does he go to school? Nov 29 20:02:23 The rules are younger than that. Nov 29 20:02:29 August 8th was the first time I ever came into this channel. Nov 29 20:02:32 yipe, you are prejudging, that makes you prejudice. Nov 29 20:02:47 I'm not prejudging, I've dealt with these people before Nov 29 20:02:59 JulieAnn is like talking to a rock Nov 29 20:03:10 there's no give Nov 29 20:03:13 Look up the word prejudge yipe, yes you are. Nov 29 20:03:30 we are the world Nov 29 20:03:34 I've had experience with all the people we're talking about MananAtma Nov 29 20:03:37 we are its childred Nov 29 20:03:43 chillrin Nov 29 20:03:43 I'm post-judging them Nov 29 20:04:00 * MananAtma has had knock down drag outs with JulieAnn and has not been banned, so he thinks she is fair minded. Nov 29 20:04:12 MananAtma: Do I know you by another name? Nov 29 20:04:22 but I bet you couldn't make her move an inch could you? She's heartless Nov 29 20:04:23 PonderWolf. ;) Nov 29 20:04:25 Ah, Nov 29 20:04:26 prediction Nov 29 20:04:34 yes, just figured it out by your whois :) Nov 29 20:04:53 I was actually just thinking how I hadn't seen you in quite a while earlier today, MananAtma. Nov 29 20:05:22 I've had a slight path alteration JulieAnn. Nov 29 20:05:41 thank goodness for gps Nov 29 20:05:42 MananAtma: The way of Hindu, was it? Nov 29 20:05:52 I can't recall.. Nov 29 20:05:53 * MananAtma nods Nov 29 20:06:05 MananAtma: Congratulations... I'm glad you were able to decide. Nov 29 20:06:11 Are things going well so far for you? Nov 29 20:06:25 Very well. :) Nov 29 20:06:33 I'm glad to hear it. Nov 29 20:07:39 I'm glad to see that you're still here, too. I hadn't seen your nick (Ponderwolf) around... I realized that this afternoon. I was wondering if something had happened. Glad to know that you're alright. Nov 29 20:08:19 * MananAtma wonders if he should point out that not only can he disagree with some one vehmently then respect them in the morning, but he can also defend them! Nov 29 20:08:45 * JulieAnn smiles at MananAtma Nov 29 20:08:52 *curtsy* Nov 29 20:09:02 Wow, I'm honored by your concern JulieAnn.