Dec 02 01:30:16 <coius>	goody
Dec 02 01:30:21 <coius>	this has gone from bad to worse
Dec 02 01:30:29 <coius>	the pc this guy dropped off
Dec 02 01:30:35 <coius>	has no recovery discs
Dec 02 01:30:47 <coius>	on top of that, someone erased the recovery software that would have made the discs
Dec 02 01:30:49 <JohnMM>	so download windows xp...not hard to find
Dec 02 01:31:05 <coius>	I have corporate. but if I do it, it includes none of the discs
Dec 02 01:31:12 <techfury90>	it's also illegal
Dec 02 01:31:32 <coius>	no it's not.  I will use the original key for the machine
Dec 02 01:31:39 <coius>	it came with pro
Dec 02 01:31:44 <coius>	i have a corporate pro disc
Dec 02 01:31:45 <techfury90>	corporate won't take that key.
Dec 02 01:31:49 <coius>	it will install without a hitch
Dec 02 01:31:51 <JohnMM>	honest question here...if you have a windows xp license but loose the cd and you download and use a iso does that make the installation illegal even if you use the legally purchased key?
Dec 02 01:31:54 <coius>	actually, it will
Dec 02 01:31:59 <techfury90>	JohnMM, its illegal
Dec 02 01:32:05 <techfury90>	the act of downloading it was illegal
Dec 02 01:32:09 <coius>	no it's not.  It has a license
Dec 02 01:32:18 <techfury90>	its cut and dry copyright infringement
Dec 02 01:32:24 <coius>	and microsucks doesn't give two ****s about which disc you use
Dec 02 01:32:33 <coius>	it depends on if it has a license or not
Dec 02 01:32:33 <techfury90>	why don't you order the discs
Dec 02 01:32:39 <techfury90>	and bill them for the expense?
Dec 02 01:32:43 <coius>	trust me.  Because the want $90 for the discs
Dec 02 01:32:49 <techfury90>	coius, no it does not depend on the license
Dec 02 01:32:50 <coius>	and it would take 2 weeks for them to ship it to me
Dec 02 01:32:51 <techfury90>	even if you have a license
Dec 02 01:32:56 <techfury90>	downloading an iso is ILLEGAL
Dec 02 01:33:06 <coius>	corporate is used to send out batch
Dec 02 01:33:11 <coius>	i will be using the key on the tower
Dec 02 01:33:13 <techfury90>	corporate also only accepts VLKs
Dec 02 01:33:14 <coius>	therefore, it's legal
Dec 02 01:33:19 <JohnMM>	uh, I thought as long as you had a license and used the key from that license the installation was legal no matter where you got the install media from
Dec 02 01:33:22 <JohnMM>	*huh
Dec 02 01:33:24 <techfury90>	JohnMM, its not legal that way.
Dec 02 01:33:26 <coius>	since the discs they give with it, is derived from corporate discs
Dec 02 01:33:32 <coius>	this has XP pro techfury90
Dec 02 01:33:33 <JohnMM>	ok, good to know
Dec 02 01:33:38 <techfury90>	wrrrrrrrrrong coius
Dec 02 01:33:45 <coius>	it's got a pro license, it will still have pro
Dec 02 01:33:45 <techfury90>	SILC and corporate are different
Dec 02 01:33:50 <coius>	corporate doesn't mean crap
Dec 02 01:33:53 <coius>	it's the same thing
Dec 02 01:34:01 <coius>	i have talked to a lawyer on this
Dec 02 01:34:02 <techfury90>	that key on the side is NOT corporate.
Dec 02 01:34:07 <coius>	yes it is
Dec 02 01:34:09 <techfury90>	no it is not.
Dec 02 01:34:12 <coius>	well, it is in a sense
Dec 02 01:34:15 <techfury90>	in fact, the key is never supposed to be used
Dec 02 01:34:23 <coius>	and corporate is not special license
Dec 02 01:34:25 <JohnMM>	here...coius try it and get back to us
Dec 02 01:34:28 <coius>	when I use that key, it IS legal
Dec 02 01:34:36 <coius>	XP pro is XP Pro
Dec 02 01:34:39 <techfury90>	legal if you have the disc legally, sure
Dec 02 01:34:54 <coius>	it's not like I am using Vista basic to get Ultimate
Dec 02 01:34:58 <techfury90>	the fallacy with what JohnMM is saying is that he's acquiring the disc contents illegally
Dec 02 01:35:06 <techfury90>	coius, just get the discs and bill the customer the cost
Dec 02 01:35:09 <techfury90>	its the ethical thing to do.
Dec 02 01:35:19 <techfury90>	(informing them of course)
Dec 02 01:35:23 <coius>	this has a legal key, and the discs they ship with the machine has corporate. they just have a special file that automatically registers it
Dec 02 01:35:26 <JohnMM>	that's good to know techfury90 , I always thought the license itself was what defined whether or not the installation was legal
Dec 02 01:35:31 <techfury90>	coius, THEY ARE NOT CORPORATE
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Dec 02 01:35:34 <coius>	and yes, i have talked to a MS rep AND a lawyer on this
Dec 02 01:35:35 <techfury90>	SILC != corporate
Dec 02 01:35:42 <coius>	corporate is license
Dec 02 01:35:43 <JohnMM>	but now I know it's in combination with how the media was obtained
Dec 02 01:35:56 <coius>	well, this is using an individual key
Dec 02 01:36:00 <techfury90>	then its not corporate
Dec 02 01:36:04 <techfury90>	corporate requires a VLK
Dec 02 01:36:05 <JohnMM>	(who the hell reads that legal mumbojumbo? :P)
Dec 02 01:36:06 <techfury90>	that key is not a VLK.
Dec 02 01:36:09 <coius>	the only way this key can be used, is with corporate disc derivitives
Dec 02 01:36:17 <coius>	and yes it is, it has worked before
Dec 02 01:36:19 <techfury90>	its a plain old XP OEM key that requires activation.
Dec 02 01:36:25 <coius>	it IS a corporate derivitive
Dec 02 01:36:33 <techfury90>	spell derivative correctly first.
Dec 02 01:36:38 <techfury90>	and it is NOT.
Dec 02 01:36:43 <techfury90>	it uses SILC
Dec 02 01:36:46 <techfury90>	not a VLK
Dec 02 01:36:48 <coius>	corporate is a set of keys.  This works with corporate discs fine.  I have done it before techfury90
Dec 02 01:36:50 <JohnMM>	coius, try using that key on a corporate installation...that'll settle this dispute and coius will see first hand ;)
Dec 02 01:36:51 <techfury90>	it checks an ACPI table
Dec 02 01:36:59 <techfury90>	to verify if its on the correct machine
Dec 02 01:37:00 <coius>	JohnMM, it works.  done it before
Dec 02 01:37:01 <techfury90>	no key is ever used.
Dec 02 01:37:11 <coius>	techfury90, it doesn't show up as corporate, and yet, a key is used
Dec 02 01:37:17 <techfury90>	uhm. no
Dec 02 01:37:21 <techfury90>	oem versions don't work that way
Dec 02 01:37:24 <coius>	it's given to sony to create the file that needs no registration
Dec 02 01:37:24 <techfury90>	oem versions do not take a key
Dec 02 01:37:37 <techfury90>	they use the ACPI SILC table to verify that the machine is licensed per se
Dec 02 01:37:39 <coius>	techfury90, OEM is corporate discs. It's the key that matters
Dec 02 01:37:44 <techfury90>	OEM IS NOT CORPORATE
Dec 02 01:37:46 <techfury90>	it is SILC, not VLK
Dec 02 01:37:54 <techfury90>	will you get that through your head?
Dec 02 01:37:57 <coius>	yes it is.  I know that for a fact
Dec 02 01:38:12 <techfury90>	then how come corporate takes a key
Dec 02 01:38:12 <coius>	techfury90, XP Corporate works with the keys on the tower.  I have done it like 7x
Dec 02 01:38:13 <techfury90>	and oem doesn't.
Dec 02 01:38:21 <techfury90>	coius, we can't trust you
Dec 02 01:38:25 <techfury90>	after bullshitting on cisco products
Dec 02 01:38:40 <coius>	corporate is the discs they have hand out.  It's the fact of what the machine has a license for that matters
Dec 02 01:38:43 <techfury90>	no
Dec 02 01:38:48 <techfury90>	they are not corporate discs.
Dec 02 01:38:50 <coius>	this has an XP Pro license, it doesn't matter what discs
Dec 02 01:39:01 <techfury90>	they are either SILC (newer machines), or plain old XP with activation
Dec 02 01:39:04 <coius>	then why is it that if you ship in 32-bit versions of vista, they ship back 64?
Dec 02 01:39:07 <coius>	it doesn't matter
Dec 02 01:39:13 <techfury90>	vista is a totally diferent story
Dec 02 01:39:18 <coius>	no it isn't
Dec 02 01:39:21 <techfury90>	vista only has two discs (32 and 64 bit)
Dec 02 01:39:22 <techfury90>	yes it is.
Dec 02 01:39:26 <coius>	it's the same way it's licensne
Dec 02 01:39:31 <techfury90>	xp however has many variants
Dec 02 01:39:40 <techfury90>	such as SILC, OEM, VLK and retail
Dec 02 01:39:41 <coius>	techfury90, talk to a god ****ed MS Rep.  I have done it before to clear it
Dec 02 01:39:47 <techfury90>	*MS rep
Dec 02 01:39:49 <techfury90>	capitalize correctly
Dec 02 01:39:50 <coius>	it works fin
Dec 02 01:40:16 <techfury90>	and its actually legal as long as the disc was legally obtained
Dec 02 01:40:18 <JohnMM>	 I wouldn't trust a scripted indian to support you coius
Dec 02 01:40:23 <techfury90>	but you're spreading crap dude.
Dec 02 01:40:27 <techfury90>	those keys are NOT corporate
Dec 02 01:40:31 <coius>	i did MS rep, and I don't give a **** how it's spelled.  Don't argue with me, unless you have done it before and cleared it legally, don't say a thing
Dec 02 01:40:33 <techfury90>	they are plain old activation ones.
Dec 02 01:40:44 <coius>	I have done both
Dec 02 01:41:06 <techfury90>	let me explain this for the 182309183209th time coius
Dec 02 01:41:09 <techfury90>	those keys on the side
Dec 02 01:41:10 <coius>	I have cleared it, and know from MSDNAA and tech articles and talked to reps and lawyers
Dec 02 01:41:16 <techfury90>	are NOT corporate
Dec 02 01:41:25 <techfury90>	they are plain old, almost-retail style ones that require activation.
Dec 02 01:41:38 <coius>	go with Corporate discs.  Yes they are.  All the corp discs make sure people can't use the keys from OEM machiens with regular machines
Dec 02 01:41:38 <techfury90>	(also on machines made after 2003/4 or so, they're never intended to be used)
Dec 02 01:42:01 <coius>	that's why MS knows if you used a key from an OEM with regular do-it-yourself  system
Dec 02 01:42:10 <techfury90>	corporate shouldn't validate it though
Dec 02 01:42:13 <coius>	and they block it.  I have had to deal with it before
Dec 02 01:42:15 <coius>	and yes it does
Dec 02 01:42:16 <techfury90>	since the VLK algorithm is different...
Dec 02 01:42:29 <coius>	if they know that it has a license, they will clear it.  I have done it before
Dec 02 01:42:35 <techfury90>	besides, in that case
Dec 02 01:42:40 <techfury90>	you're supposed to use SILC discs...
Dec 02 01:42:43 <techfury90>	which don't take a key
Dec 02 01:43:02 <techfury90>	(aka get the manufacturer ones and bill the customer the cost)
Dec 02 01:43:08 <JohnMM>	I actually do have a copy of corporate which requires activation...or some version of xp that uses a vlk and activation
Dec 02 01:43:10 <coius>	just tell them the machine has a license and you have to use a backup.  I have talked with multip MS employees, reps and the people in india They clear it and says it's legal
Dec 02 01:43:16 <techfury90>	JohnMM, if it requires activation
Dec 02 01:43:17 <coius>	there is a reason they put a stick on the side
Dec 02 01:43:18 <techfury90>	its not corporate
Dec 02 01:43:23 <JohnMM>	ok
Dec 02 01:43:24 <coius>	that verifies the machine shipped with the license
Dec 02 01:43:31 <techfury90>	coius, that's not using corporate though
Dec 02 01:43:36 <coius>	if it has the sticker, it doesn't matter what way you put it on
Dec 02 01:43:37 <techfury90>	that's using a plain old xp pro disc
Dec 02 01:43:42 <techfury90>	not a VLK/corporate
Dec 02 01:43:46 <coius>	for the n'th time.  I am not using a corporate key
Dec 02 01:43:49 <techfury90>	since you had to call
Dec 02 01:43:54 <coius>	i am using one specific to the machine
Dec 02 01:43:55 <techfury90>	which means you're not using a corporate disc!
Dec 02 01:44:09 <coius>	no, corporate discs require activation too
Dec 02 01:44:12 <techfury90>	unless your disc (at least my MSDN one) specifically says "Volume License Version"
Dec 02 01:44:12 <coius>	try it
Dec 02 01:44:15 <techfury90>	it is NOT corporate
Dec 02 01:44:19 <coius>	yes it is
Dec 02 01:44:28 <techfury90>	corporate is just the unofficial name for VLK
Dec 02 01:44:33 <techfury90>	what you were using is a plain old XP disc.
Dec 02 01:44:47 <techfury90>	VLK = corporate, no activation
Dec 02 01:44:52 <coius>	yes, but they are the same. Corporates STILL require that the sticker and license be put on the machine
Dec 02 01:44:59 <techfury90>	YOU ARE WRONG OCIUS
Dec 02 01:45:00 <techfury90>	*coius
Dec 02 01:45:09 <coius>	if you order corporate or multiple licenses, they send stickers for each
Dec 02 01:45:11 <techfury90>	you cannot use that sticker with a corporate disc.
Dec 02 01:45:12 <techfury90>	no
Dec 02 01:45:15 <techfury90>	corporate does not work that way.
Dec 02 01:45:22 <techfury90>	having actually seen corporate legally acquired
Dec 02 01:45:23 <coius>	uh... yes.  I have done it 7x already
Dec 02 01:45:24 <coius>	it works
Dec 02 01:45:27 <techfury90>	they just issue you ONE key
Dec 02 01:45:30 <techfury90>	for your entire organization
Dec 02 01:45:38 <techfury90>	which is never activated
Dec 02 01:45:38 <coius>	yes, it is issued to sony which they make a file
Dec 02 01:45:44 <techfury90>	SONY DOES NOT USE CORPORATE
Dec 02 01:45:45 <techfury90>	they use SILC
Dec 02 01:45:49 <techfury90>	totally different animals
Dec 02 01:45:55 <coius>	all sony discs use the key.  It is designed to automatically activate it
Dec 02 01:46:00 <techfury90>	no coius
Dec 02 01:46:02 <techfury90>	you're wrong
Dec 02 01:46:10 <coius>	it is illegal if you find the key and use it to put on OTHER machines
Dec 02 01:46:12 <techfury90>	they use the ACPI SILC table to "validate" the "license" (which is a generic key)
Dec 02 01:46:26 <techfury90>	those discs do not ask for any key
Dec 02 01:46:26 <coius>	same was as it is illegal to take an oem license from a dell or whatnot and transfer it
Dec 02 01:46:31 <coius>	it is locked to the machine
Dec 02 01:46:35 <techfury90>	coius, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about
Dec 02 01:46:38 <coius>	then what kind of disc do I have?
Dec 02 01:46:43 <techfury90>	you have a plain old
Dec 02 01:46:45 <techfury90>	retail type
Dec 02 01:46:48 <techfury90>	XP Pro disc.
Dec 02 01:46:52 <techfury90>	if you had a corporate disc
Dec 02 01:46:52 <coius>	because the corp. disc requires a key and requires to be activated
Dec 02 01:46:57 <coius>	techfury90, have you tried it?
Dec 02 01:46:59 <techfury90>	it would say "Volume License Edition" on it
Dec 02 01:47:02 <techfury90>	yes
Dec 02 01:47:03 <coius>	try it once, you will see
Dec 02 01:47:06 <techfury90>	i use a legally acquired corp disc
Dec 02 01:47:11 <techfury90>	and it does not require activation
Dec 02 01:47:11 <coius>	w/e
Dec 02 01:47:14 <techfury90>	and oems
Dec 02 01:47:16 <techfury90>	do not use corporate
Dec 02 01:47:16 <coius>	i am not going to argue with you
Dec 02 01:47:18 <techfury90>	they use silc.
Dec 02 01:47:31 <techfury90>	coius, that's great
Dec 02 01:47:35 <coius>	then either I have an unordinary corp. disc, or I have a sicl
Dec 02 01:47:37 <techfury90>	cuz i don't wanna argue with you either!
Dec 02 01:47:37 <coius>	silc*
Dec 02 01:47:41 <techfury90>	you have an unordinary one.
Dec 02 01:47:41 <coius>	i don't care. Because it works
Dec 02 01:47:51 <techfury90>	er
Dec 02 01:47:52 <techfury90>	ordinary
Dec 02 01:47:54 <techfury90>	i should say
Dec 02 01:47:56 <techfury90>	its not a corp disc
Dec 02 01:47:59 <techfury90>	its an ordinary xp disc.
Dec 02 01:48:01 <coius>	and it's legal.  All they care is if it has the sticker on the side
Dec 02 01:48:04 <techfury90>	corporate (which is really called volume license)
Dec 02 01:48:07 <techfury90>	takes only a key.
Dec 02 01:48:10 <coius>	and no it isn't, because it doesn't work with regular licenses
Dec 02 01:48:17 <techfury90>	it does not activate
Dec 02 01:48:19 <coius>	tried it with my machine and a LEGAL XP pro
Dec 02 01:48:21 <techfury90>	the whole idea behind corporate
Dec 02 01:48:36 <techfury90>	was that it would let a company use a single key
Dec 02 01:48:39 <techfury90>	and not worry about activation
Dec 02 01:48:42 <coius>	when I lost my disc, i tried the corp disc and it wouldn't take it.  But the discs will work with Dell and compaq and w/e
Dec 02 01:48:44 <techfury90>	now if you'll shut up and he open
Dec 02 01:48:45 <techfury90>	*be
Dec 02 01:48:49 <techfury90>	i'll explain what silc is
Dec 02 01:48:54 <coius>	i don't care
Dec 02 01:48:55 <techfury90>	and how its totally different
Dec 02 01:48:56 <coius>	bye
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