14:46:34 < blino> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy : ubuntu veut dpkg+lzma /o\
14:47:04 < fcrozat> blino: ils vont se faire des amis chez debian ;)
14:48:23 < blino> "networkless-installation-fixes"...
14:52:04 < peroyvind> blino: we're set to go for lzma already and beat ubuntu to it if people say aye to my RFC :)
14:53:02 < fcrozat> how about finish fixing the bugs caused by LZMA manpage switch first ?
14:53:11 < fcrozat> like kde support
14:53:31 < peroyvind> fcrozat: 1. not related, 2. are there any others than kde? I've forgotten about it, but I will fix it
14:53:42 < fcrozat> it is related
14:53:51 < peroyvind> otherwise, I find your reaction completely unjustified
14:53:55 < peroyvind> no, it's not
14:54:03 < fcrozat> you are again pushing for one of your pet project
14:54:23 < fcrozat> xman was broken
14:54:28 < fcrozat> kde is still broken
14:54:35 < peroyvind> fcrozat: would you prefer for me to not push for anything at all?
14:54:49 < blino> (xman is definitely a killer-app for our target :-p)
14:55:06 < fcrozat> peroyvind: I would prefer you to check for ALL the problems before changing stuff so radically in the distro
14:55:45 < dams> tiens, Pachos est de retour ^^
14:55:53 < dams> activé vos filtres SPAM :)
14:56:00 < dams> s/activé/activez/
14:56:07 < peroyvind> fcrozat: I think you are very unfair, I do admit that I wasn't fully aware of the scope, but for myself I feel like I put quite an effort into take
                      care of those
14:56:37 < peroyvind> kde man page bug is coompletely unrelated to lzma as rpm payload
14:56:47 < fcrozat> peroyvind: why should you get special treatment over other people ?
14:57:25 < peroyvind> fcrozat: why should you get special rights of treatment of other people?
14:58:00 < fcrozat> peroyvind: it is again a "feature" you want to push, most people don't care about and I'm sure, since we will divert from upstream, that we will have
                    interop issues
14:58:27 < fcrozat> peroyvind: such as ?
14:58:30 < soig_> peroyvind: it's related; there's no point in continuing adding half implemented new stuff if we didn't fixed the ones we already added. besides, I've yet
                  to see andreas any benchmark showing actual improvements (your timing on mls showed overall _SLOWDOWNS_ while installing packages)
14:59:36 < fcrozat> nicolas: tu me fais signe quand je peux passer vous piquer le disque dur ? :)
14:59:56 < peroyvind> bullshit, if you saw followup posts those slowdowns weren't of much relevance nor of any concern, and making up a single bug in the kde filter I did
                      as a huge issue is unfair
15:00:28 < soig_> peroyvind: you claimed we can achieve faster installations, yet you showed numbers proving the reverse...
15:00:39 -!- soig_ is now known as soig
15:00:39 < peroyvind> soig_: no, that was NOT my claim
15:00:54 < peroyvind> that was mrl's claim
15:01:17 < peroyvind> which i I suspect was confusion about believing currently using bzip2 as payload
15:01:43 < peroyvind> my claim was smaller packages at acceptable costs
15:01:57 < soig> peroyvind: "Using lzma as payload should really give consideraly reduction of space and bandwidth usage" => what's the point if it's not for faster
                 installation?
15:02:28 < fcrozat> blino: hmm, il y aurait pas un prb de montage nfs sur le bs ?
15:02:33 < soig> peroyvind: huge increase of used memory by urpmi, rpmdrake & installer isn't acceptable unless given huge gains
15:02:37 < blino> fcrozat: sur quel noeud ?
15:02:37 < fcrozat> http://kenobi.mandriva.com/queue/failure/cooker/main/release/20071203145054.fcrozat.kenobi.10631/log/bluez-utils-3.22-2mdv2008.1/