ilost7dollars (3:15:23 PM): hey
ilost7dollars (3:15:33 PM): watch the first 30 min of www.zeitgeistmovie.com
takingbackfrydae (3:19:22 PM): I have to go out, but I'll watch it when I get back 
ilost7dollars (3:20:15 PM): mmk
ilost7dollars (9:32:52 PM): hey
ilost7dollars (9:33:05 PM): h
ilost7dollars (9:33:05 PM): e
ilost7dollars (9:33:05 PM): y
takingbackfrydae (9:33:11 PM): hey
takingbackfrydae (9:33:15 PM): h
takingbackfrydae (9:33:16 PM): e
takingbackfrydae (9:33:17 PM): l
takingbackfrydae (9:33:18 PM): l
ilost7dollars (9:33:18 PM): watch the movie
takingbackfrydae (9:33:19 PM): o
takingbackfrydae (9:33:21 PM): I did
ilost7dollars (9:33:24 PM): from minute 5 to ~30
ilost7dollars (9:33:28 PM): and what?
takingbackfrydae (9:33:30 PM): I watched the whole thing
takingbackfrydae (9:33:32 PM): It was pretty cool
ilost7dollars (9:33:53 PM): so were your religious beliefs dominated?
takingbackfrydae (9:34:19 PM): Not really
ilost7dollars (9:34:28 PM): ?!!?!#^&?!@&
ilost7dollars (9:34:48 PM): dude wtf
takingbackfrydae (9:35:09 PM): What?
ilost7dollars (9:35:44 PM): christianity is a scam
ilost7dollars (9:35:53 PM): an astrological jibberjabber story
takingbackfrydae (9:35:58 PM): Okay
ilost7dollars (9:36:04 PM): ?!?!@^%?!^
ilost7dollars (9:36:10 PM): are you seriously that stupid?
takingbackfrydae (9:36:34 PM): Guess so
ilost7dollars (9:36:42 PM): dude but seriously
ilost7dollars (9:36:56 PM): you still believe you have a friend sitting in the clouds?
takingbackfrydae (9:37:04 PM): Not really
ilost7dollars (9:37:24 PM): oh, ... but then what do you believe?
takingbackfrydae (9:37:30 PM): Something much less literal
takingbackfrydae (9:42:12 PM): Also, no offense, but anyone who thinks that the government planned 9/11 is retarded.
ilost7dollars (9:42:46 PM): lol
ilost7dollars (9:42:48 PM): why is that
takingbackfrydae (9:44:54 PM): Just my opinion.
takingbackfrydae (9:45:09 PM): Not that it influenced me, but watch that one episode of South Park
takingbackfrydae (9:45:17 PM): sums up nicely how I feel
ilost7dollars (9:47:18 PM): dude
ilost7dollars (9:47:42 PM): if you don't know something, do you make something up and consider it to be true? .. no. You accept the fact you don't know, and what for an answer.
ilost7dollars (9:47:53 PM): wait***
takingbackfrydae (9:49:17 PM): Have you ever seen an atom?
ilost7dollars (9:49:45 PM): well, I have seen thousands of atoms, yes
takingbackfrydae (9:49:49 PM): Oh?
ilost7dollars (9:49:57 PM): don't pull this shit arguement
takingbackfrydae (9:50:04 PM): Haha. Well, answer truthfully.
ilost7dollars (9:50:05 PM): you're better than that
takingbackfrydae (9:50:08 PM): Have you ever seen an atom?
ilost7dollars (9:50:12 PM): listen
takingbackfrydae (9:50:35 PM): If you haven't, how do you know they exist? People have told you they exist, but you put blind faith that they do?
takingbackfrydae (9:50:42 PM): Even though you've never seen one?
ilost7dollars (9:50:48 PM): while we havent "seen" an atom, we have performed many tests and theories all of which support the idea of the atom.. .. religion passes no tests
ilost7dollars (9:51:02 PM): religion passes NO TESTS
takingbackfrydae (9:51:02 PM): But you haven't seen an atom, right?
ilost7dollars (9:51:44 PM): I've seen and see thousands of atoms together forming compounds and all of which I touch see feel and what not
takingbackfrydae (9:51:56 PM): Yeah, but how do you know that they aren't made of something else?
takingbackfrydae (9:52:01 PM): How do you know it's atoms?
ilost7dollars (9:52:04 PM): we dont
takingbackfrydae (9:52:09 PM): You've never seen one... so how do you know?
ilost7dollars (9:52:09 PM): we never said there isnt anything
ilost7dollars (9:52:18 PM): no one ever said there isn't more
takingbackfrydae (9:52:31 PM): No, but you believe atoms exist when you've never seen one.
ilost7dollars (9:52:45 PM): wow, ... fail
takingbackfrydae (9:53:01 PM): You say tests exist.
takingbackfrydae (9:53:07 PM): Have you ever performed them yourself?
ilost7dollars (9:53:23 PM): ... ok .. lets use your theory
ilost7dollars (9:53:31 PM): don't believe anything you don't prove yourself
ilost7dollars (9:53:42 PM): then, religion is much worse than the atom
ilost7dollars (9:53:51 PM): and it not only is worse.. it takes your money and time
takingbackfrydae (9:54:15 PM): When has Religion taken my money and time?
takingbackfrydae (9:54:37 PM): I don't go to Church.
ilost7dollars (9:54:39 PM): .... your did not necessarily apply to "you" specifically... you as in the plural
takingbackfrydae (9:54:51 PM): Why are you putting me in a group?
takingbackfrydae (9:54:56 PM): That's called stereotyping.
takingbackfrydae (9:55:16 PM): I do not necessarily believe what others believe and vice-versa.
ilost7dollars (9:55:32 PM): bahhahsdgeghh!#&!&
ilost7dollars (9:55:52 PM): nevermind you, worse conversationist ever.. but i still love you
takingbackfrydae (9:55:57 PM): :P
takingbackfrydae (9:56:09 PM): Like I said, trying to convert me to something else rarely works.
takingbackfrydae (9:56:19 PM): I believe in Science and Religion. I think both can go happily hand in hand.
takingbackfrydae (9:56:30 PM): I don't necessarily believe in Adam and Eve, etc, but yeah.
ilost7dollars (9:56:46 PM): whatever
takingbackfrydae (9:57:08 PM): yay, waffles is back
ilost7dollars (10:00:43 PM): so what exactly are you religious beliefs
ilost7dollars (10:00:49 PM): in a concise statement/paragraph
ilost7dollars (10:00:56 PM): your*
takingbackfrydae (10:02:12 PM): I don't really have any set religious beliefs
takingbackfrydae (10:02:20 PM): Yes, I do believe in a higher deity
takingbackfrydae (10:02:47 PM): But I think that there is no right or wrong religion
ilost7dollars (10:02:55 PM): a deity in the sense it is a human-like god of sorts who is omnipotent and omniscient ?
takingbackfrydae (10:02:56 PM): I just choose to believe in the "Christian" God
takingbackfrydae (10:03:11 PM): Perhaps. Like I said, I do not know.
ilost7dollars (10:03:27 PM): can I just ask you something though.
takingbackfrydae (10:03:32 PM): Yeah, but hurry up
ilost7dollars (10:03:36 PM): One question.
takingbackfrydae (10:03:36 PM): I have to poop
ilost7dollars (10:03:45 PM): go poop
takingbackfrydae (10:04:04 PM): okay, ask your question though, I'll read it when I'm back
ilost7dollars (10:06:18 PM): If there is something you don't know, let's say... why the sky is blue. Will you take something from a book you found (that has _no_ proof, _no_ tests, _no_ base whatsoever) and claim that to be true? I know you can make similar situations with science, but at least it connects and works logically, why religion follows no base or strict process of growing. Science = nothing until proven, religion = everything until disproven (and then some)....
ilost7dollars (10:06:35 PM): s/why/while
ilost7dollars (10:07:02 PM): you haven't proven it.. and I haven't proven it... but in reality no one has proven anything
ilost7dollars (10:07:23 PM): we accept something to be true under certain conditions and under certain tests... but we will never know if it can/will change.
ilost7dollars (10:07:44 PM): religion has never been set to any such standards
ilost7dollars (10:08:32 PM): and do you really believe some deity created this massive blue orb and left it to murder itself off with disease, filth, and greed?
ilost7dollars (10:08:43 PM): Its not really one question.. a ramble 
ilost7dollars (10:09:00 PM): I figured I would make ground while you are afk
takingbackfrydae (10:12:38 PM): Honestly, I see Religion as something that doesn't need to be based on facts... it's soley based on belief. 
ilost7dollars (10:12:51 PM): but thats the thing
ilost7dollars (10:13:05 PM): belief in something someone said to be true.. without any really reason to believe so
takingbackfrydae (10:13:22 PM): Life is a miracle
ilost7dollars (10:13:34 PM): don't say miracle
takingbackfrydae (10:13:40 PM): There are so many things out there, when you visit the world
ilost7dollars (10:13:40 PM): its a gay religiony word
takingbackfrydae (10:13:51 PM): Well, that's your opinion.
ilost7dollars (10:14:06 PM): so you are a loose belief christian
ilost7dollars (10:14:22 PM): that isn't really sure of anything
ilost7dollars (10:14:32 PM): and would willingly give up beliefs if he knew better
ilost7dollars (10:14:41 PM): .. so why wait.. just give them up now
ilost7dollars (10:14:48 PM): wait for some concrete knowledge
ilost7dollars (10:15:11 PM): of course.. concrete is as concrete as we can observe
takingbackfrydae (10:15:12 PM): I don't see why I shouldn't believe in God. There's only benefit.
takingbackfrydae (10:15:33 PM): You see the bad things; hate, greed, lying
takingbackfrydae (10:15:46 PM): That's not what it's supposed to be about. Unfortunately people corrupt it.
ilost7dollars (10:15:58 PM): no... it was a log of the starts
ilost7dollars (10:16:01 PM): stars*
ilost7dollars (10:16:09 PM): with a nice little plot around it
takingbackfrydae (10:16:16 PM): Hm.
ilost7dollars (10:18:01 PM): why put a place holder into a blank spot of knowledge? especially when that place holder has been made up by some guys who used it to profit and gain political control?
takingbackfrydae (10:18:43 PM): Science has been used for profit and political control.
takingbackfrydae (10:18:47 PM): Might as well not believe in science.
ilost7dollars (10:19:44 PM): without science... where would we be?
ilost7dollars (10:19:53 PM): or is that made up.. its all jibberjabber
takingbackfrydae (10:20:06 PM): Perhaps
ilost7dollars (10:20:14 PM): test anything you see in textbooks
ilost7dollars (10:20:23 PM): anything that you are capable of testing
ilost7dollars (10:20:35 PM): (i.e. you can't buy an electron microscope)
ilost7dollars (10:21:01 PM): all of it is open and available
ilost7dollars (10:21:10 PM): science is open.. religion is closed
takingbackfrydae (10:21:17 PM): Religion is closed?
ilost7dollars (10:21:44 PM): closed in the sense of not ... not open to criticism
ilost7dollars (10:21:56 PM): buddhism isn't really religion.. so don't attack buddhists
takingbackfrydae (10:22:24 PM): It's a philosophy
ilost7dollars (10:22:52 PM): why do you believe there is a god?
takingbackfrydae (10:22:59 PM): Yes.
ilost7dollars (10:23:01 PM): what logical assumption did you use to led to that conclusion?
ilost7dollars (10:23:10 PM): lead*
takingbackfrydae (10:23:15 PM): I am here.
ilost7dollars (10:23:26 PM): :
ilost7dollars (10:23:43 PM): :'(
takingbackfrydae (10:23:55 PM): huh?
ilost7dollars (10:24:25 PM): you are here.... and you believe that some thing/humanoid created you
takingbackfrydae (10:24:45 PM): It's the miracle of life.
ilost7dollars (10:25:03 PM): ?
ilost7dollars (10:25:22 PM): science explains life... religion says, uh... some guy/thing made it
takingbackfrydae (10:26:23 PM): How did life begin
ilost7dollars (10:26:54 PM): o m F G
ilost7dollars (10:27:08 PM): if there is a god who created everything.. where did he come from?
ilost7dollars (10:27:11 PM): he/she/it
takingbackfrydae (10:27:38 PM): that's like asking how is anything in existance
takingbackfrydae (10:27:46 PM): how is there nothing
takingbackfrydae (10:27:50 PM): before the universe formed what was there
takingbackfrydae (10:27:56 PM): How did it come about
ilost7dollars (10:28:02 PM): we don't know.. and don't claim to know
ilost7dollars (10:28:11 PM): religion doesnt know.. and claims to know
takingbackfrydae (10:28:25 PM): Religion tries to provide an answer. I see nothing wrong with that.
takingbackfrydae (10:28:29 PM): Since it's all about belief.
ilost7dollars (10:28:47 PM): tries.. .... wtf do you mean? they fail horribly
ilost7dollars (10:29:06 PM): fine.. believe in a GOD .. just never believe in anything remotely christian
ilost7dollars (10:29:14 PM): christianity is all a lie
takingbackfrydae (10:30:01 PM): Okay.
ilost7dollars (10:30:35 PM): okay?
ilost7dollars (10:30:53 PM): looks like ground is being made
takingbackfrydae (10:31:20 PM): It's called condescention.