Raj: Whether there are advantages or not, only you know for sure. david: yeah, maybe. Raj: However, you have just convinced me that your way "sucks" david: hahahahahahahahaha Raj: gee...I'm miserable, the place smells like a toilet, the neighbors party all night, the landlord sucks. david: i really do think we should agree to disagree, as long as i commit to succeeding under your tutelage Raj: So, you wanna move in? david: but david: isn't there something to be said for rejecting all falsehoods? david: that's all i'm saying david: even if you can't provide a positive truth, it's better to reject falsehood Raj: if you reject all falsehoods, what remains? david: what remains is a lack of falsehoods 23:40 Raj: is it a void? david: it's possible, in my interpretation, that there is no such thing as Truth Raj: what fills in that void david: god david: landmark david: fascism Raj: ok, what is god? david: an answer for people who need questions to have answers Raj: ehhh...you are being snarky david: no david: i'm being serious david: i want you to know that i don't mean fascism like a swearword david: most people use it that way Raj: ok....then let's table this conv...we're ging round & round. david: i think we're making progress david: but it's not achieving the goals we set out to achieve david: i agree with you Raj: I have things to do, and you have things to ponder david: :) david: i'd like to say it again: i really respect you, for a lot of reasons. david: and i think i can learn a lot from you, both in terms of your business and in terms of your "being" david: my goal in joining brainlink was to prove to myself and to someone whose opinion matters (to me) that i can solve problems with my current skillset and that i can solve problems that require more skills than i currently have at my disposal david: right now, i am hearing from you that i haven't achieved that goal david: i am hearing from you that you hear me offering excuses, not solutions. david: so i have not yet succeeded. david: i don't put stock in the notion that "there is no try, only do" david: i think that's self-serving bullshit david: trying, as far as i'm concerned, is an incredibly important part of success david: sometimes, we are not equal to the tasks we are presented with david: but in this lifetime, i hope to overcome obstacles david: not simply allow myself to be obstructed david: you have a lot of the skills that i need david: to succeed 23:45 david: as corny as that sounds david: (could you confirm that you're still paying attention to me? as recent events suggest, you know how much it sucks to be sincere and effusive about something only to find out you're not being heard) Raj is no longer away. Raj: Do or do NOT, there is NO try. Raj: In every try, there is a seed of failure david: ... Raj: You can do something 1000 times, not get it right 999 and nail it on the 1000 Raj: What determines whether you did or did NOT i not the # of attempts Raj: it is YOUR COMMITMENT Raj: if you have a commitment to getting it done, 1 attempt or 1000 does not matter Raj: if you have no commitment, you may/will stop after the 1st or 10th or 999th failure david: "do or do not" is for people who only care about winning, though. 23:50 david: if you don't win, you're a loser david: you might as well say that. david: it's not motivation for the right reason david: but don't you think there was something more important that i was saying? david: i was saying that i have a lot to learn from you david: the more i get to know you, the more i respect you Raj: Thank you...I heard what you said. david: and the more you encourage me to make mistakes and learn from them, the more likely i will be to take the lead on a project or a problem or even something as small as finding out what is slowing down the network. david: but it can be tough. david: the other day i told you that i was proud of myself for getting as far with ruby as i had, on my own. Raj: It's not ONLY for people who care about winning... david: you practically laughed at me david: that's not the kind of encouragement that helps Raj: any true professional, athlete, HUMAN being knows, ultimately, the reace is WITH YOURSELF Raj: bite me...I'm not here to coddle you.