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[20:15]<Axeman>see, trolls troll people, that's what they do.
[20:15]<Axeman>and when someone in a position of power trolls someone not in a position of power, they don't have to have a reason
[20:16]<Axeman>so, you know, it's basically "load a revolver, put on a blindfold and shoot at random"
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[20:18]<Axeman>and this isn't trolling how?
[20:18]<JohnReaves>I never said it wasn't?
[20:19]<Axeman>well, let's see
[20:19]<Axeman>if I crapflood a chanop in PM and act like a dick on purpose, I get banned
[20:19]<Axeman>but if a chanop does the same thing to me, it's awwright?
[20:19]<JohnReaves>Yes
[20:19]<JohnReaves>Yes
[20:20]<Axeman>hmm.
[20:22]<JohnReaves>I'm glad you have figured it out
[20:22]<Axeman>So you're essentially admitting to being an egotistical, corrupt troll?
[20:23]<JohnReaves>Sure, why not. Whatever satisfies your delusions
[20:23]<Axeman>Delusions.
[20:23]<Axeman>So tell me your version of events, from the beginning.
[20:24]<JohnReaves>Nah
[20:24]<Axeman>You know, the "correct" story
[20:24]<Axeman>because so far, I've noticed that you've never actually contradicted anything I've said
[20:24]<Axeman>you've just been a dick in every way possible
[20:26]<JohnReaves>Ah ha! Spot on!
[20:26]<Axeman>Why?
[20:27]<JohnReaves>To annoy you
[20:30]<Axeman>Because?
[20:31]<JohnReaves>You annoy me?
[20:31]<Axeman>I know
[20:31]<Axeman>but why can't you just let things be?
[20:31]<Axeman>Isn't the purpose of moderators and operators to make sure things don't get out of hand?
[20:32]<Axeman>And not to use their powers for their own personal vendettas?
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[20:32]<JohnReaves>Becasue you keep trying to join and then you PM your bullshit
[20:32]<Axeman>If you didn't ban me from the channel in the first place, this conversation never would have taken place
[20:33]<Axeman>you created a problem and then used it as an excuse to act like a jackass
[20:33]<JohnReaves>If you weren't a worthless troll then none of this would have happened
[20:33]<Axeman>Worthless troll?
[20:33]<Axeman>When have I ever trolled?
[20:33]<JohnReaves>Hah! Seriously?
[20:33]<Axeman>I'd like to see you actually pin something on me besides childish name-calling
[20:34]<Axeman>"Hah! Seriously?" isn't a log, or evidence, or any proof at all, in fact
[20:34]<Axeman>it's just bluffing
[20:35]<Axeman>So pray tell, could you please give me some justification for your label of "troll"?
[20:35]<JohnReaves>How about I have you join a channel and I ask everyone if they think you are a troll?
[20:35]<Axeman>No.
[20:36]<Axeman>You haven't defined "troll"
[20:36]<Axeman>And "troll" isn't a noun, it's an action
[20:36]<Axeman>you troll someone, you are not a troll
[20:36]<Axeman>it's a label used to objectify someone and justify plain meanness
[20:37]<Axeman>A million people saying 2+2=5 does not make it so
[20:37]<JohnReaves>troll is a noun
[20:37]<JohnReaves>don't be a pedant
[20:37]<Axeman>It isn't semantics, it's a state of mind
[20:37]<Axeman>the premise of labeling someone "good" or "bad", your ally or enemy, is a device
[20:38]<Axeman>because if someone's completely good or completely bad, you can treat them as such
[20:38]<Axeman>you either blindly support all their actions regardless of whether or not they're right, or you can hate them with fury and ignore the fact that they haven't done anything
[20:39]<Axeman>so 1984 without the Anti-Sex League, basically
[20:41]<Axeman>although I have to give you credit.
[20:41]<Axeman>you are fucking smart...
[20:41]<Axeman>although winning an argument with authority is a losing proposition
[20:41]<JohnReaves>Aw, thanks
[20:42]<Axeman>So are you a proactive troll, or are you the reactive type?
[20:42]<Axeman>Do you cruise the Internet looking for a fight or do you mainly stick to Wikipedia?
[20:42]<JohnReaves>You are my only recipient
[20:43]<Axeman>Ah.
[20:43]<Axeman>you should really consider selling your services
[20:44]<Axeman>I'd pay at least $10 for you to go on a certain forum and raise hell
[20:44]<Axeman>in fact...
[20:44]<Axeman>do you have a paypal accout?
[20:44]<JohnReaves>Nah
[20:44]<Axeman>ah...
[20:44]<Axeman>because there's a certain group of self-important, drama-mongering bastards who really deserve a good bashing
[20:45]<Axeman>and I assure you, they're very easy to troll.
[20:45]<Axeman>they are known as Random Insanity Online.
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[20:45]<JohnReaves>Not interested
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[20:45]<Axeman>it's a shame
[20:45]<Axeman>you have a gift
[20:46]<Axeman>So what do you want?
[20:46]<Axeman>Glory? Power? Ego?
[20:46]<JohnReaves>I can haz Glory?
[20:46]<JohnReaves>I can haz Power?
[20:46]<Axeman>Do you just want me gone, or am I merely a personification of everything in your life, online and offline, that you can't control?
[20:46]<JohnReaves>I can haz Ego?
[20:47]<Axeman>Parhaps you have little control over events that happen in real life and you're angry because you can't change things
[20:47]<JohnReaves>Hah, you're seriously psychoanalyzing
[20:47]<Axeman>and so you compensate by controlling others online?
[20:47]<Axeman>I'd understand that.
[20:48]<Axeman>You're a WP sysop, so I presume you spend a lot of your time online
[20:48]<JohnReaves>Not too much really
[20:48]<Axeman>unlike casual editors/posters/etc, you put more of an emotional investment in your work
[20:48]<Axeman>so it means more to you than just a chat room, or just an encyclopedia
[20:48]<Axeman>it's your life
[20:49]<Axeman>and if someone pisses you off on IRC, they're not just flooding your channel, they're flooding your bedroom, and you'll be damned if you allow that in your house!
[20:49]<Axeman>hahaha
[20:49]<Axeman>that's okay
[20:49]<Axeman>I get it
[20:49]<Axeman>here's my advice to you:
[20:50]<Axeman>get a hatchet from the store, a tubular steel camp axe is only about $9
[20:51]<Axeman>and pretty much all hatchets like that are the same
[20:51]<JohnReaves>Hah, I really hpe you don't think you amateur psychobullshit impresses me
[20:51]<Axeman>so buy it, take it outside into a secluded patch of woods.
[20:52]<Axeman>doesn't have to be complete wilderness, but not right on a road or anything
[20:52]<Axeman>take your axe out, find an old dead tree, and chop it down
[20:52]<Axeman>Go absolutely apeshit.
[20:52]<Axeman>Release all your frustration, anger, into that tree
[20:52]<Axeman>Try making it a project
[20:53]<Axeman>make a path through the woods
[20:53]<JohnReaves>Here's what you should do: Become obsessed with Bjork, delude yourself into think you are going to be her biggest influence, build a mail bomb to send to her, then paint your face and shot yourself in the head
[20:53]<Axeman>you can walk through it, bike, take your dog for a walk, whatever.
[20:53]<Axeman>trust me, you'll feel a hell of a lot better, you'll have accomplished something, and you'll be able to make decisions online and in real life without your anger getting in the way
[20:53]<Axeman>I'm not trying to be a dick, or whatever.
[20:54]<Axeman>I'm trying to help you out, because you seem unhappy.
[20:54]<JohnReaves>Right, been there done that
[20:54]<JohnReaves>without the emotional bullshit though
[20:54]<Axeman>Maybe you're not. Maybe you're kind of confident because every block, every autorem is a small victory.
[20:54]<Axeman>But it really isn't.
[20:54]<Axeman>It's you getting your jollies, your emotional support, at the expense of other, real people.
[20:55]<JohnReaves>You aren't real people
[20:55]<Axeman>I can understand if you use Wikipedia as a tool with which to improve your self-esteem or whatever, but...
[20:55]<Axeman>that isn't the point of the project
[20:55]<Axeman>we're building an encyclopedia
[20:55]<JohnReaves>Nah, I use serial killing and rape for that
[20:55]<Axeman>and if you can't understand that...
[20:56]<Axeman>and if you're going to put up a shell to deny what anyone says...
[20:56]<Axeman>than there's nothing more I can say to you.
[20:56]<JohnReaves>Finally
[20:56]<Axeman>You are a sad, strange little man.
[20:56]<Axeman>I pity you.
[20:56]<Axeman>Goodbye.
[20:56]<JohnReaves>:<
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[20:56]<JohnReaves>But you're my only hope Axeman
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[20:57]<JohnReaves>The suicide hotline won't pick up my calls anymore
[20:57]<JohnReaves>This is on your back young man!
[20:57]<Axeman>Well...
[20:57]<Axeman>I don't dislike you.
[20:57]<Axeman>Can't really say I dislike, hate, or want to kill anyone.
[20:58]<Axeman>When someone pisses me off, I just remember that there aren't good and bad people, only actions
[20:58]<JohnReaves>Not even them damn foreigners?!
[20:58]<Axeman>people are inclined to do good, bad, stupid, smart, or silly things.. but they're still people
[20:58]<Axeman>Hitler did some good things, and Jesus did some bad things.
[20:59]<JohnReaves>What about midgets? They aren't people
[20:59]<Axeman>Can't judge people because each of us is just as flawed as the next.
[20:59]<Axeman>and it makes you feel a hell of a lot better to judge, but it isn't worth it
[20:59]<Axeman>John... I like you.
[20:59]<Axeman>Could you say the same for me?
[21:00]<Axeman>John?
[21:01]<JohnReaves>No
[21:01]<Axeman>why is that?
[21:01]<JohnReaves>I just don't like you
[21:02]<Axeman>How can you say that, John?
[21:02]<Axeman>No.
[21:02]<Axeman>I take that back...
[21:02]<JohnReaves>Because it's true Axe
[21:02]<Axeman>It's your right to dislike me.
[21:02]<JohnReaves>Now open the pod bay doors
[21:02]<Axeman>You have every right as a human being to like or not like whoever you want.
[21:03]<Axeman>But I feel bad about this, not because I want to be liked (and maybe it is that), but because.
[21:03]<Axeman>I'd like to sleep tonight knowing that I've made someone feel better today.
[21:03]<Axeman>I'd like to change just one person's view of things, make then look on the bright side of things.
[21:03]<Axeman>Because if I can change one person, I can change the world.
[21:03]<Axeman>Good night, John.
[21:04]<Axeman>And sleep tonight with this in your mind:
[21:04]<Axeman>There is nothing you, or anyone can do to make me dislike them. Only actions.
[21:04]<Axeman>I like everyone.
[21:04]<Axeman>Now...
[21:04]<Axeman>Farewell.
[21:04]<Axeman>My friend.
[21:04]<JohnReaves>I will not do that
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[21:05]<JohnReaves>Namaste
[21:05]<Axeman>Likewise.
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