Feb 01 04:02:09 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress - Introduction (jpr) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:02:19 <jpr>	welcome to the opensuse GNOME meetin!
Feb 01 04:02:22 <jpr>	meeting even
Feb 01 04:02:42 <sreeves>	jpr is from the south
Feb 01 04:02:57 <jpr>	not much else to introduce this week :-)
Feb 01 04:03:17 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress - Meeting shift policy review proposal  | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:03:27 <jpr>	captain_magnus, srag : anything to propose?
Feb 01 04:03:33 <jpr>	or dliang
Feb 01 04:03:42 <jpr>	or anyone else in australia/asia
Feb 01 04:04:05 <captain_magnus>	We are proposing this time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=01&year=2008&hour=11&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
Feb 01 04:04:17 <captain_magnus>	That would move the meeting back one hour...
Feb 01 04:04:40 <jpr>	right
Feb 01 04:04:54 <jpr>	it rules out Provo people
Feb 01 04:05:02 *	jimmac_ has quit ("Ex-Chat")
Feb 01 04:05:09 <dliang>	one hour back?
Feb 01 04:05:19 <jpr>	yes, unfortunately
Feb 01 04:05:25 <jpr>	but maybe thats ok once a month
Feb 01 04:05:47 <jpr>	+1 from me
Feb 01 04:06:06 <dliang>	7:00 PM in Beijing is OK, +1
Feb 01 04:06:22 <rodrigo>	for europe it works great, so +1 from me
Feb 01 04:06:52 <captain_magnus>	+1 to trial this for perhaps 2 meetings
Feb 01 04:07:27 <sreeves>	jpr: I should probably know this but why does that rule out Provo people ?
Feb 01 04:07:42 <jpr>	sreeves: welll, i assumed 4am was pushing it too much :-)
Feb 01 04:07:45 <jpr>	ok
Feb 01 04:07:59 <jpr>	AI: captain_magnus to schedule next two time shift meetings at new time
Feb 01 04:08:05 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in ProgressFactory testing (news, issues, concerns) (sreeves, maw, hpj)  | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:08:07 <captain_magnus>	Hmm... It's my 4am now and I'm here... Where is the dedication from the provo people? :-)
Feb 01 04:08:12 *	sreeves misread - I thought back one hour from normal
Feb 01 04:08:17 <sreeves>	dudh
Feb 01 04:08:33 <jpr>	sreeves, mw, hpj ?
Feb 01 04:09:22 <hpj>	hmmm
Feb 01 04:09:26 <sreeves>	so I just have questions about the upgrade this week
Feb 01 04:09:28 <hpj>	wouldn't that put it at 5am here?
Feb 01 04:09:46 <sreeves>	tried the update last night and still got the CC problem
Feb 01 04:09:58 <hpj>	nm
Feb 01 04:10:05 <sreeves>	jpr: will that be synced soon
Feb 01 04:10:22 <rodrigo>	sreeves: the dep on libgnomekbd?
Feb 01 04:10:23 <sreeves>	and is there a way to check status of a factory sync
Feb 01 04:10:29 <sreeves>	rodrigo: yes
Feb 01 04:11:09 <captain_magnus>	sreeves: There's no easy way to check factory sync...
Feb 01 04:11:10 <jpr>	darix: ^^ >
Feb 01 04:11:38 <hpj>	i'm actually a little behind on my factory updates
Feb 01 04:11:59 <jpr>	its been a couple days since there were updates on x86_64 at least
Feb 01 04:12:28 <jpr>	if darix doesn't respond soon i'll take and AI to check with the autobuild team and mail the list
Feb 01 04:12:48 <hpj>	how are the dependency problems coming?
Feb 01 04:12:50 <jpr>	the zypper at least lets you work around the problems these days
Feb 01 04:12:52 <hpj>	banshee et al
Feb 01 04:13:01 <jpr>	banshee and CC2 are fixed internall
Feb 01 04:13:09 <hpj>	ok
Feb 01 04:13:47 <jpr>	hpj, mw, sreeves : anything else to add?
Feb 01 04:13:55 <sreeves>	nope
Feb 01 04:14:06 <rodrigo>	can I just ask who is running factory now?
Feb 01 04:14:13 <hpj>	no
Feb 01 04:14:19 <captain_magnus>	I am running it on my laptop
Feb 01 04:14:19 <jpr>	me
Feb 01 04:14:28 <hpj>	mde
Feb 01 04:14:29 <hpj>	me
Feb 01 04:14:30 <jpr>	(one machine)
Feb 01 04:14:50 <jpr>	also, just a reminder http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing
Feb 01 04:15:10 <rodrigo>	that makes 5 machines (captain, jpr, hpj, and 2 from me), so we really need more people to test stuff
Feb 01 04:15:37 <jpr>	for all those lurkers like ChrisJaeger bgerber hircus ivanz pocek Juippis  etc :-)
Feb 01 04:15:57 <rodrigo>	:)
Feb 01 04:16:07 <hpj>	ideally, testers would run GNOME, of course... :)
Feb 01 04:16:12 <ChrisJaeger>	:-D Running it on a laptop, everythings's fine.
Feb 01 04:16:23 <hircus>	:) I don't have an openSUSE machine at the moment, I'm afraid. disk space limitations
Feb 01 04:16:27 <ivanz>	once I buy more RAM I will install factory for testing
Feb 01 04:16:34 <jpr>	AI: jpr check autobuild sync status
Feb 01 04:17:00 <jpr>	ok
Feb 01 04:17:02 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress - Task Review (suseRocks)  | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:17:12 <jpr>	suseROCKs appears to be out atm
Feb 01 04:17:20 <rodrigo>	he said he was going to miss the meeting
Feb 01 04:17:27 <jpr>	so quickly, anyone have anything they want bring up task wise?
Feb 01 04:17:38 <jpr>	I have finally gotten the tshirt/swag stuff moving again
Feb 01 04:17:56 <jpr>	will wait one more day for snail mail addresses from a couple of people
Feb 01 04:18:07 <jpr>	and send to Martin L.
Feb 01 04:18:17 <btimothy>	i've contacted the BYU CS Dept. abt. hosting an event/speaking there to promote openSUSE/GNOME and get student participants.  Waiting now for the real person in charge to talk w/ me.
Feb 01 04:18:26 <rodrigo>	I'd like some help on the kiwi/distro testing thing
Feb 01 04:18:33 <captain_magnus>	rodrigo: I can help out...
Feb 01 04:18:43 <rodrigo>	there are kiwi images done from factory, but nothing planned for testing
Feb 01 04:18:47 <rodrigo>	captain_magnus: good
Feb 01 04:18:52 <jpr>	and the pattern review will happen within a couple of weeks after we review the drops and such on the mailing list
Feb 01 04:19:04 <rodrigo>	we need to think how we could do automated tests, ltsp?
Feb 01 04:19:10 <jpr>	rodrigo: ah yes, we have space issues and i told coolo we would look at them
Feb 01 04:19:23 <jpr>	rodrigo: if you get it building perhaps we can review that pattern first?
Feb 01 04:19:30 <jpr>	nagappan: ^^
Feb 01 04:19:54 <nagappan>	hi jpr
Feb 01 04:19:56 <rodrigo>	captain_magnus: add yourself to the task then please
Feb 01 04:20:10 <jpr>	nagappan: see above ltsp question :-)
Feb 01 04:20:12 <captain_magnus>	rodrigo: Will do... Have you done anything with it yet?
Feb 01 04:20:21 <jpr>	mw: you'll talk to dirk about the next packaging day?
Feb 01 04:20:22 <rodrigo>	captain_magnus: no :(
Feb 01 04:20:46 <captain_magnus>	rodrigo: Ok... I'll set something up here and then create a wiki page... Should be able to do that over the weekend
Feb 01 04:20:51 *	jpr notes the multimedia themed meeting is done
Feb 01 04:21:02 <rodrigo>	captain_magnus: great
Feb 01 04:22:05 <jpr>	anything else to raise on tasks?
Feb 01 04:22:06 <bgerber>	ok
Feb 01 04:22:10 <nagappan>	jpr, LTSP or LDTP ? I could see rodrigo kiwi image
Feb 01 04:22:24 <captain_magnus>	nagappan: LDTP
Feb 01 04:22:24 <jpr>	ldtp i think he meant
Feb 01 04:22:29 <rodrigo>	yeah
Feb 01 04:22:41 <nagappan>	captain_magnus, I could not trace it out, could you please paste for me ?
Feb 01 04:23:19 <captain_magnus>	nagappan: We were discussing possibilities to automate GNOME testing with ldtp
Feb 01 04:23:20 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress - [10 mins] Q&A - Non Developer | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:23:24 <jpr>	questions?
Feb 01 04:23:34 <nagappan>	captain_magnus, ah ! cool
Feb 01 04:24:03 <jpr>	again - lurkers like ChrisJaeger bgerber hircus ivanz pocek Juippis  this is your time to ask those burning gnome/opensuse questions!
Feb 01 04:24:14 <jpr>	including exciting 11.0 questions
Feb 01 04:24:15 <mw>	ok
Feb 01 04:24:25 <nagappan>	jpr, captain_magnus, I can help in all possible ways in setting up the environment for automated testing
Feb 01 04:24:33 <ivanz>	I've got no questions :)
Feb 01 04:24:44 <rodrigo>	nagappan, captain_magnus: good, let's continue talking after the meeting
Feb 01 04:24:47 <captain_magnus>	Any news on public fate?
Feb 01 04:24:58 <nagappan>	rodrigo, sure :)
Feb 01 04:25:11 <jpr>	captain_magnus: i have seen no change in status
Feb 01 04:25:22 <jpr>	but thats a good one to take to the project meeting or ask AJ about
Feb 01 04:25:30 <jpr>	AI: jpr find out the status of openfate
Feb 01 04:26:39 <jpr>	any other questions today?
Feb 01 04:26:56 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress -  Next Theme Meeting| http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:27:00 *	jpr inserts a topic
Feb 01 04:27:07 <jpr>	next theme meeting?
Feb 01 04:27:18 <jpr>	multimedia went really well
Feb 01 04:27:20 *	federico1 (n=federico@189.129.81.194) has joined #opensuse-gnome
Feb 01 04:27:26 <rodrigo>	yeah
Feb 01 04:27:36 <rodrigo>	there was a list of suggested topics... /me looks
Feb 01 04:29:18 <rodrigo>	opensync, multiscreen, and wishlist are the ones left
Feb 01 04:29:23 <rodrigo>	http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Themes
Feb 01 04:29:50 <jpr>	we already had the mobile team
Feb 01 04:29:58 <jpr>	a couple of times
Feb 01 04:30:08 <jpr>	i wonder what other teams we could have come
Feb 01 04:30:10 <jpr>	yast?
Feb 01 04:30:15 <rodrigo>	X and yast
Feb 01 04:30:16 <jpr>	X on radeonhd?
Feb 01 04:30:21 <jpr>	kernel?
Feb 01 04:30:47 <rodrigo>	a11y also
Feb 01 04:30:55 <rodrigo>	although not sure who to bring :-)
Feb 01 04:31:07 <jpr>	other ideas?
Feb 01 04:31:35 <jpr>	+1 for X (like to here about xrandr 1.3 and hotplugging monitors and such too)
Feb 01 04:31:36 <captain_magnus>	federico1's sleep pattern?
Feb 01 04:31:38 <hpj>	build service?
Feb 01 04:31:45 <hpj>	zypper?
Feb 01 04:31:51 <jpr>	ooh
Feb 01 04:31:54 <jpr>	both good as well
Feb 01 04:32:02 *	rodrigo adds them to the themes page
Feb 01 04:32:16 <federico1>	captain_magnus: pattern!?  babies seem to be totally non-deterministic
Feb 01 04:32:28 <nagappan>	federico1, :)
Feb 01 04:32:30 <captain_magnus>	federico1: Heh... Congratulations :-)
Feb 01 04:32:40 <hpj>	i would expect federico1's baby to be NP complete
Feb 01 04:32:50 <jpr>	any votes for the next particular meeting?
Feb 01 04:33:02 <captain_magnus>	+1 for X and randr...
Feb 01 04:33:13 <dliang>	+1 for a11y
Feb 01 04:33:23 <sreeves>	+1 for build service
Feb 01 04:33:36 <hpj>	+1 for build service
Feb 01 04:33:39 <rodrigo>	+1 for build service
Feb 01 04:33:54 <captain_magnus>	-1 for build service :-)
Feb 01 04:34:06 <hpj>	i'm fine with X too
Feb 01 04:34:22 <rodrigo>	yeah, +1 for X also :)
Feb 01 04:34:42 <jpr>	ok X next
Feb 01 04:34:45 <jpr>	then build service
Feb 01 04:35:03 <jpr>	AI: jpr to ask henne and the X team to attend
Feb 01 04:35:05 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress -  10.3 Update (sreeves) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:35:06 <cyberorg>	there were recent improvement in compiz and xgl "Better RANDR support" from david's changelog
Feb 01 04:35:09 <jpr>	sreeves: go man go
Feb 01 04:35:27 <sreeves>	so we are pushing the updates from testing repo out
Feb 01 04:35:35 <sreeves>	except the metacity fix
Feb 01 04:35:59 <sreeves>	should be available from the update channel as soon as they work through the release process
Feb 01 04:36:16 <sreeves>	were a little worried about the lack of testing on the metacity fix
Feb 01 04:36:35 <captain_magnus>	What does it fix?
Feb 01 04:36:38 <sreeves>	since it was added later on and we did not get many comments on it -  and it changes desktop behavior slighty
Feb 01 04:36:41 <jpr>	sreeves: did we receive a swamp id ?
Feb 01 04:36:47 <sreeves>	jpr: yes
Feb 01 04:36:54 <jpr>	great
Feb 01 04:37:16 <jpr>	mw: which reminds me, did we get the id for the xulrunner update ?
Feb 01 04:37:17 <sreeves>	so if a couple people could test out the metacity fix and comment on the bug that would be helpful
Feb 01 04:37:22 <hpj>	is there awareness of the X crashing in VMWare bug?
Feb 01 04:37:30 <hpj>	which popped up in 10.3 after previous updates
Feb 01 04:37:31 <sreeves>	captain_magnus: it's a focus stealing prevention fix
Feb 01 04:37:48 <hpj>	https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350318
Feb 01 04:37:51 <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 350318 in openSUSE 10.3 (GNOME) "GDM/X crashes in VMWare" [Major,New]
Feb 01 04:37:55 <bgerber>	no questions here
Feb 01 04:38:23 <sreeves>	hpj: btimothy just hit it this morning - I told him to add his vote to that bug to back rev the workaround to 10.3
Feb 01 04:38:27 *	mhwork|gone is now known as mhutch
Feb 01 04:38:36 <sreeves>	hpj: was there any action on the upstream real fix for that ?
Feb 01 04:38:37 <hpj>	ok
Feb 01 04:38:54 <hpj>	yeah, disable RENDER. :(
Feb 01 04:39:02 <hpj>	for the vmware driver
Feb 01 04:39:18 *	kallepersson has quit ("Lämnar")
Feb 01 04:39:32 <hpj>	oh the real fix
Feb 01 04:39:33 <jpr>	hpj: can we make it clear in there is not related to the control center but rather an X bug?
Feb 01 04:39:34 <hpj>	no
Feb 01 04:39:41 <hpj>	it's been quiet upstream
Feb 01 04:39:57 <hpj>	jpr: yeah, i just got confirmation that it is indeed the X bug today
Feb 01 04:40:03 <jpr>	ok
Feb 01 04:40:13 <jpr>	we also have an FF crashing on update bug
Feb 01 04:40:16 <jpr>	we need to look at
Feb 01 04:40:21 <jpr>	started with the new version
Feb 01 04:40:30 <jpr>	maybe related to the icon theme stuff
Feb 01 04:40:44 <jpr>	maybe federico1 you can poke that next week with mw
Feb 01 04:41:23 <jpr>	sreeves: anything else?
Feb 01 04:41:29 <sreeves>	thats it
Feb 01 04:41:45 <jpr>	https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355402
Feb 01 04:41:48 <jpr>	federico1: ^^
Feb 01 04:41:48 <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 355402 in openSUSE 10.3 (GNOME) "SuSEconfig.gtk2 kills processes" [Major,New]
Feb 01 04:42:16 <federico1>	looking
Feb 01 04:42:27 <jpr>	sreeves: i think that might fall into the embarassing bucket :-)
Feb 01 04:42:38 <jpr>	although i think it only started for me after the recent FF update
Feb 01 04:42:51 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress -  11.0 Development Update (hpj) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:42:55 <jpr>	hpj: go man go
Feb 01 04:43:13 <hpj>	ok, so we held back the GDM update for another week
Feb 01 04:43:16 <hpj>	that is, until the end of this week
Feb 01 04:43:28 <hpj>	since it was missing critical functionality
Feb 01 04:43:38 <hpj>	i'm going to try again tomorrow or monday
Feb 01 04:43:55 <federico1>	jpr: hmm, weird - just asked for more info
Feb 01 04:44:07 <jpr>	federico1: i can replicate, try it
Feb 01 04:44:25 <hpj>	they just sent out and update to the GDM upstream list saying they implemented reboot/shutdown :)
Feb 01 04:44:34 <hpj>	and XDMCP
Feb 01 04:44:41 <hpj>	so it's in better shape
Feb 01 04:44:43 <jpr>	right, all policykit-ized nicely now though
Feb 01 04:44:44 <federico1>	jpr: plain 10.3?
Feb 01 04:44:58 <hpj>	although you still can't choose language and keyboard
Feb 01 04:44:59 <jpr>	federico1: 10.3+updates at least - after the meeting please
Feb 01 04:45:03 <federico1>	k
Feb 01 04:45:06 <hpj>	probably not session type either
Feb 01 04:45:07 <captain_magnus>	Is it possible to disable the animation thing when you click on your username?
Feb 01 04:45:21 <hpj>	captain_magnus: you can bet i'm disabling that
Feb 01 04:45:33 <hpj>	captain_magnus: i've talked to them upstream and they seem to like it :/
Feb 01 04:45:38 <hpj>	captain_magnus: so it'll be an openSUSE patch
Feb 01 04:45:43 <captain_magnus>	Thanks! :-)
Feb 01 04:46:37 <hpj>	anyone else have 11.0 dev movement to report?
Feb 01 04:46:43 <jpr>	i have published a listed of some potential package drops on the mailing list
Feb 01 04:46:46 <jpr>	please review
Feb 01 04:47:04 <hpj>	that list looked fine to me
Feb 01 04:47:11 <hpj>	although i think gqview is fairly popular
Feb 01 04:47:15 <jpr>	yah
Feb 01 04:47:18 <jpr>	two comments back
Feb 01 04:47:27 <jpr>	hpj: the a11y stuff looked sensible as well?
Feb 01 04:48:11 <hpj>	jpr: i think so
Feb 01 04:48:45 <jpr>	hpj, sreeves : oh, what about the new xgl setup stuff
Feb 01 04:48:49 <jpr>	since cyberorg is here
Feb 01 04:49:18 <hpj>	not much to report there yet
Feb 01 04:49:27 <jpr>	ok
Feb 01 04:49:37 <jpr>	cyberorg: its on our minds again finally :-)
Feb 01 04:49:48 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress -  Patch Upstreaming (rodrigo) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:49:55 <jpr>	rodrigo: you're up
Feb 01 04:50:06 <cyberorg>	jpr, cool :)
Feb 01 04:50:16 <rodrigo>	not much to report, since we postponed it because of the 2.21.5 update in FACTORY
Feb 01 04:50:29 <rodrigo>	so next Monday and Tuesday, we'll do it
Feb 01 04:50:45 <rodrigo>	I'll add more information to the wiki page before then
Feb 01 04:50:58 <rodrigo>	but with the update to 2.21.x, we had to disable some patches
Feb 01 04:51:12 <rodrigo>	so anyone can help in reviewing those patches and reworking them as needed
Feb 01 04:51:45 <rodrigo>	so, who wants to give a try at patch reviewing/tagging/upstreaming?
Feb 01 04:51:55 <rodrigo>	oh, tagging is also very easy to do
Feb 01 04:51:59 <jpr>	if you can simply help filing bugs and patches upstream that would be a big help too :-)
Feb 01 04:52:10 <rodrigo>	so anyone can do it, no need to be the maintainer of the packages
Feb 01 04:52:20 <rodrigo>	we have 100s of patches, so any help would be really appreciated
Feb 01 04:52:29 <rodrigo>	with t-shirts and swags sent from JP :)
Feb 01 04:52:37 <captain_magnus>	Oh, I'm in then :-)
Feb 01 04:52:58 <jpr>	hah
Feb 01 04:53:03 <jpr>	i will definitely send if it helps
Feb 01 04:53:10 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress -  Q&A | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!
Feb 01 04:53:14 <jpr>	any final questions?
Feb 01 04:54:04 <rodrigo>	captain_magnus: ok, be here soon on Monday (well, late for you, soon for me :-)
Feb 01 04:54:34 <captain_magnus>	rodrigo: I'll try... :-)
Feb 01 04:55:28 <jpr>	guess not :-)
Feb 01 04:55:45 <jpr>	thanks all!
Feb 01 04:55:47 *	jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting Over - Archives up soon  | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME | Help at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing | Next Meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080131 | Congratulations, Federico!