[19'16:43:50] * Joins: waffleg (n=chatzill@c-76-114-244-43.hsd1.va.comcast.net) [19'16:43:52] * Quits: mrmonday (i=mrmonday@fullcirclemagazine/communicationsmanager/mrmonday) ("Full Circle Magazine - http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ | TangoCMS - http://tangocms.org/ | Mibbit - http://mibbit.com/ || bye ) [19'16:43:56] ##Php is abusing me [19'16:44:38] how many people must they ban daily and insult with racial and degrading comments for freenode "staff" to do anything [19'16:44:57] why even refer to yourself as "staff" when you do absolutely nothing unless it directly effects you [19'16:45:00] waffleg: staff don't deal with channel affairs [19'16:45:17] * Joins: DirtyJim (i=BIGDIRT@68.162.169.105) [19'16:45:19] they don't deal with any affairs again unless it directly relates to them [19'16:45:19] Channels are largely free to run themselves as they wish. [19'16:45:20] * Parts: DirtyJim (i=BIGDIRT@68.162.169.105) [19'16:45:37] so freenode policys and TOS are bullshit then? [19'16:45:38] * Quits: spirit0001 (n=MegaIRC@static-host119-30-103-137.link.net.pk) ("MegaIRC v3.96 http://ironfist.at.tut.by") [19'16:45:41] that's what you're telling me? [19'16:45:47] If you dislike the management style of a channel, you're free to create your own one. [19'16:46:03] that's not a solution [19'16:46:17] * Joins: FiendishFish (n=Fiendish@77-99-238-113.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) [19'16:46:40] waffleg: policies and guidelines are different things. you MUST follow policies, but guidelines are optional [19'16:46:42] waffleg, sure it is. It's just not the one you wanted. [19'16:46:45] it's like saying if you don't like drug dealers living next door to you and raping woman daily, you're free to move, when i'm here reporting it to the "cops" [19'16:46:59] That's not really a fitting analogy. [19'16:47:03] yes it is [19'16:47:07] Umm, no it's not like that whatsoever [19'16:47:07] It was an somewhat interesting one.... [19'16:47:09] irc is not real life [19'16:47:15] sure it is [19'16:47:18] Nobody's forcing you to visit the channel. [19'16:47:25] * Joins: GHe (n=GHe@wikia/GHe) [19'16:47:31] waffleg, staff have more important things to do than interfere in someone else's business [19'16:47:46] * Quits: Gunirus (n=Gunirus@unaffiliated/Gunirus) (Remote closed the connection) [19'16:47:46] (And may I suggest you review this channel's policies also, located in the /topic) [19'16:47:49] no one forces you to walk down the street, it's still illegal for someone to physically attack you, just because you were there [19'16:47:56] waffleg: talk to mattmcc or TML. They're the two highest ops in that channel [19'16:47:57] doesn't make it your fault [19'16:48:10] * Quits: NeoServer (n=NeoTherm@phpbb/leader/pdpc.student.NeoThermic) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [19'16:48:12] thats what your telling me, because I joined the channel, got abused it was my fault [19'16:48:15] IRC is not physical. [19'16:48:22] * Joins: NeoServer (n=NeoTherm@phpbb/leader/pdpc.student.NeoThermic) [19'16:48:26] dude, just type "/quit" [19'16:48:27] No physical harm is being done to you. [19'16:48:31] it's physcological which is more deadly [19'16:48:31] and they're the only ones who can deal with this [19'16:48:35] and very serious [19'16:48:45] verbal assault exists [19'16:48:48] Dave2: services on a faster box with the wires far from tripping distance this time? ;) [19'16:48:49] and applys to yes even IRC [19'16:48:50] sir, this is the INTERNET, not real life [19'16:48:53] data retention act [19'16:48:56] you heard of this? [19'16:49:00] heh [19'16:49:02] why would that create that, can you guess? [19'16:49:16] tell that to the guy who spammed the n world on a forum [19'16:49:19] yo, waffleg, we're just text on a screen, no need to take things personally on IRC man :) [19'16:49:20] and just got 3 years in prison [19'16:49:37] you're responsible for what you do [19'16:49:40] online or off [19'16:49:54] not when you're anonymous [19'16:49:56] waffleg, as far as we know the "attackers" are simple mIRC scripts ;) [19'16:50:37] what I need to know is, is a staff member willing to address my concerns or are they ignoring my very clear and direct report of racism and abuse [19'16:50:59] I need to see this... [19'16:51:05] waffleg: you've already been told how to deal with it [19'16:51:16] that's not an acceptable answer [19'16:51:23] and if you don't like the way ##php is being handled you're free not to join that channel [19'16:51:29] if that's the only one staff members are offering and standby [19'16:51:29] dude, all I see is people talking about PHP [19'16:51:31] waffleg: Im sorry, thats freenode policy [19'16:51:36] sure it is and you're not going to get any other answer [19'16:51:54] kloeri, hey [19'16:52:01] well I hope freenode staff enjoys the courtroom and my attorney [19'16:52:01] hiya reverseblade [19'16:52:08] I'm sure we will [19'16:52:14] waffleg, no need to sue [19'16:52:30] as you as a provider *are responsible for the content that passes through your servers, and a direct ignore and dismissal of valid complaints [19'16:52:33] kloeri, if you succeed to takeover ##asp.net please give the ownership to rchern [19'16:52:34] violates not just US law [19'16:52:37] waffleg: just talk to one of the ops of that channel. [19'16:52:39] but many other countries law [19'16:52:40] waffleg: have you read /motd? [19'16:52:48] * Quits: jpatrick (n=jon@ubuntu/member/jpatrick) ("brb") [19'16:52:55] 'a direct ignore of'? [19'16:52:55] waffleg, leave the channel if you're being harrased [19'16:52:57] as well as the guidelines on the Freenode webpage? [19'16:53:02] it's their channel, not yours [19'16:53:07] I have no idea why anybody goes in ##php except the people who run it [19'16:53:08] reverseblade: ok [19'16:53:12] they're always rude to people [19'16:53:16] you can't really do anything legally if you joined the channel voluntarily [19'16:53:22] waffleg did you ever read any of the sites motd's that hosted links, not actually content, but links to copywritted material like youtube does and got sued, lost and imprisoned? [19'16:53:27] it's happened countless times [19'16:53:29] * Joins: jpatrick (n=jon@ubuntu/member/jpatrick) [19'16:53:41] waffleg: you're really not going to get anywhere by suing us [19'16:53:48] waffleg, umm, this has nothing to do with copyright violations. [19'16:53:49] you're welcome to take legal advice on the issue [19'16:53:53] * Quits: NotASpy (n=chatzill@wikimedia/Heligoland) ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]") [19'16:53:56] I didn't really want to take this to court but i'm highly offended and feel this kind of thing happens to many and is ignorned [19'16:53:58] waffleg: the ##php owner is welcome to run the channel anyway he wants as long as it doesn't break freenode policy and I've seen no evidence of that [19'16:54:20] note that guidelines are not policies [19'16:54:24] so the only thing you can do is talk to the owner as we won't interfere with channel issues such as this [19'16:54:34] waffleg: you should take that debat to #politics, im sure they would welcome you with open arms [19'16:54:40] well you can put the responsibility on whoever you wish, those who aren't staff don't really have a say in this, but those who are staff, the blame will be put on you, I assure you [19'16:54:41] debat* [19'16:54:46] errr debate :) [19'16:54:53] waffleg, this isn't real life [19'16:54:54] I'm happy to take the blame [19'16:55:08] you're stting miles away from these people [19'16:55:09] waffleg: channels have their own policies [19'16:55:11] * denny blames kloeri for the rising damp in his flat [19'16:55:12] we should take this whole debate to #defocus [19'16:55:14] but please let the issue rest now as we can't help you beyond what we've already recommended [19'16:55:21] kloeri: is racial slurs ok with freenode? i belive that was the main issue for waffleg.. [19'16:55:21] if no staff members wish to speak with me i'll leave the channel as my intentions are not attention or to cause conflict on, the opposite, conflict resolutions...by any means necessary [19'16:55:27] waffleg: if you disagree with this, I'm sorry you feel that way but thats the way it is :) [19'16:55:31] FuriousRage: no, they're not [19'16:55:34] * cremepuff|away is now known as cremepuff222 [19'16:55:35] I don't even see anything besides people talking about php in ##php [19'16:55:58] because i'm saying specifics for staff members [19'16:56:02] denny: as i understood his initial message, it was about racial slurs. [19'16:56:16] I'm not in ##php so I can't comment [19'16:56:17] waffleg: several staff members have answered already [19'16:56:18] alright, who wants to take a spam report? [19'16:56:20] cal: now and then is a difference. [19'16:56:22] we do have a policy against racism [19'16:56:23] they're not something the general public needs to see as that's supporting what i'm againts [19'16:56:28] rchern: yes please [19'16:56:42] waffleg: you are giving empty threats. Your threat to sue this IRC network is not going to get you anywhere. [19'16:56:51] waffleg: I'm against trolls, but the general public still sees plenty of those on here [19'16:56:57] ErrantEgo are you staff? [19'16:57:00] Well I have looked through my logs and I'd be very interested to see what you are construing as racism. [19'16:57:05] waffleg: does it matter? [19'16:57:07] denny, may i pm you with a log paste? (<10 lines) [19'16:57:08] waffleg: me and denny are both staffers [19'16:57:12] ErrantEgo: careful, might sue you [19'16:57:13] rchern: yep [19'16:57:18] * Quits: lolfrenz (i=stefys@unaffiliated/lolfrenz) (". . . .") [19'16:57:24] troubled: heh, let him. [19'16:57:58] waffleg, you can't sue over voluntarily joining a channel and seeing rude comments [19'16:58:17] ... [19'16:58:20] waffleg: whether I am a part of staff or not does not matter. I am giving you the exact same response a staff member will. [19'16:58:29] * Joins: Xyphoid (i=proxyuse@203-97-201-166.dsl.clear.net.nz) [19'16:58:35] appreciate it denny :) [19'16:58:39] cal, what he can do is /join another channel and troll about it there [19'16:58:45] just For all your info.. i have sued a guy who harrased me over internet in a chat, and won that case, even if you sit on an irc network, that doesnt automagicly protects you because its the internet. [19'16:58:51] metabol, agree ;) [19'16:58:53] waffleg: I'm sorry if you disagree with the policy, but thats the way it is, and thats the way it always *has* been :) [19'16:59:05] everybody, please let this discussion rest - it's not leading anywhere besides possibly infuriating a few people [19'16:59:06] i'm not threatening anyone for your information, i'm giving due notice, and making it clear the justification for the soon to be time and fincial consuming endeavor i'm about to embark on due to negligence of those in charge [19'16:59:19] By the way, guys, thanks for the help with #pygame. [19'16:59:26] 'due notice' is in writing [19'16:59:33] I've contacted the Pygame mailing list, and there's discussion going on right now about it. [19'16:59:37] stop being silly and get legal advice, if you do intend to pursue litigation [19'16:59:48] I have an attorney [19'16:59:54] then go talk to her or him [19'16:59:59] i've sued 3 companys and 2 individuals [19'17:00:01] * kloeri sets mode: +b %waffleg!*@* [19'17:00:02] send us a letter when you're done [19'17:00:03] dude, people are going to laugh at you if you try to sue. take it to #defocus or stop talking about it [19'17:00:11] <3 denny [19'17:00:26] err kloeri. bah whatever, love ya both ;) [19'17:00:30] was that related to being muted in #php?