On Thursday 14 February 2008 5:44:05 pm Craig Huffstetler wrote: > Jesse, > > There will not be an official programmer of Ubuntu Team South Carolina. > No team has an official programmer that I know of. With all due respect, > I am not challenging you on this matter but I find it hard to believe > that you "*know*" that many programming languages. > > Many of the Linux kernel developers (including Linus Torvalds himself) > of the Ubuntu platform that work at Canonical -- NOT Torvalds -- only > know about 3 main programming languages (C/C++, Java, and Perl...perhaps > older programming languages but they do not go around and advertising > it) and dabble in the rest. HTML, JavaScript, Ruby on Rails and any > other mark up syntaxes are not considered programming languages. > > The main programming languages now a days are mainly: C/C++ and mainly > C# (but C# is an entirely different beast), Java (and everything that is > contained in Java which I can not even name but some that we utilize in > our environment at work are: Java Servlets, Java Beans, J2EE, Velocity > Toolkit, Swing and anything else in JSR168). Java is the main hit for > developers it seems. C/C++ is the main hit for some other > developers...and C++/ASP and .NET are a major hit for those utilizing > Microsoft platforms, including governmental organizations even though > many are making a switch over. > > The operator status in the channel and the ability to edit/add to > ubuntusc.com was given to you because you came to me with a desire to > help Ubuntu Team South Carolina. It has been quite a few months now and > I have given you quite a few powers, but I have not seen much in return. > No ideas, no feedback, no turn around -- all I have seen is more > requests for more power. > > Requests for power and the request to keep power (simply based on power) > simply worries me. I am not usually a person that is put in a position > to worry often about people who I put in leadership positions, but I am > at a fork in the road. I have a few other active members now who are > volunteering to take over as webmaster and web designer for ubuntusc.com. > > I am inclined to give them this role since right now it does not seem to > be filled by any one person (unless I step in again and fill it). > > Any one person can edit content, contribute content and add to content > -- this is the purpose of a Content Management System -- this is why we > have Joomla! > > This is not why we need a web developer or designer. > > Over the past 2 - 4 months you have *asked for* (in order) > - Operator status (and I asked you to contribute to the team and I > thought you would)... > -- This was provided. > - Webmaster role. > -- This was provided. I believe some minor modifications were made > within the Content Management environment that was already setup and > working by your predecessor and myself. > - Forum moderator status. > -- This was provided. > - Administrator status on Launchpad.net > -- This was provided. > > Now you are asking for even more roles yet you have not even given back > to the team in any fashion? What do you expect the answer to be? I > consider some of this my fault, really, to begin with. It all started > with granting operator status and it seemed to go down hill from there. > > I have never had anyone in my entire life ASK for so many roles of > power. I, personally, have always found a phrase concerning power > corrupting an individual (and absolute power corrupting absolutely) to > be right on the money. > > You have triggered a few alarm bells in my mind at this point. So really > at this point in Ubuntu Team South Carolina I am just going to ask you > to provide me with a few proofs of concept. You have said that you "know:" > > C/C++ > Visual Basic > QuickBASIC > Ruby > Perl > HTML > CSS > Java > Javascript > Some Coldfusion > C# > J# > PHP > Pascal > TI-BASIC > > Please provide proof that you know most, if not all, of these > programming languages in some form whether it be from current or past > work examples. A lot of this has arisen because of questionable things > (such as the constant /need /for more and more authority and power even > after it is given to you) and things that seem out of the realm of > possibility (such as a T3 line in your house along with a DSL line). > Most working adults in this nation can hardly afford to pay their DSL or > Cable bills and you are saying you have a T3 line (which is way above a > standard T1 line, mind you -- which would still be highly questionable). > > I look forward to seeing your list of provided work samples and/or > feedback in regards to this. If you have any feedback into your "need" > or "drive" behind the lust for power, I would not mind the an > explanation at this point. > > Sincerely, > > Craig Huffstetler > > Jesse N. Richardson wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 February 2008 2:42:00 pm you wrote: > >> Dear Jesse, > >> * > >> RE: Role(s) with Team SC* > >> > >> I would like to discuss your roles when it comes to Ubuntu Team SC. This > >> mainly comes down to the original role of the website. I have noticed > >> that the website graphics and maintenance of anything behind the scene > >> hasn't really changed much since you became involved. The Joomla! engine > >> is something that was previously setup by Antonio Vertigo who is still a > >> member of Ubuntu SC. > >> > >> I am just wondering what are the active roles you would like to have > >> when it comes Ubuntu SC. I would like you to continue to develop the > >> Ubuntu SC web site, including graphics and other side projects. We're > >> going to be sticking with the current chat room (as it is the official > >> chat room) and the forums (as it is also official) so those links will > >> remain static. But we can build around those... > >> * > >> RE: Role Possibility - Second Unofficial Chit-Chat Meeting? Possibility? > >> Start would be in mid-March or mid-April.* > >> > >> Also, you can take up the roll of leading the second "unofficial" chat > >> monthly meetings which will take place between the 13th and the 20th of > >> each month. There won't be a set agenda for these; and they will be > >> informal. But they will be excellent just for people to get together and > >> chat their hearts out. It will be a time that people KNOW other people > >> will be on other IRC (hopefully) and be able to get come on, at their > >> will (if they want to), and just chit chat about how things are going in > >> their lives and things like that. > >> > >> And I'd like to know your other thoughts on where you see your role > >> going within the team and how you'd like to get there. As you can tell, > >> I'd like you to remain web site developer and maintainer but I haven't > >> seen much activity on this front so I didn't know if this was something > >> that you wanted to hand off to someone else? It is not a problem if you > >> do. > >> > >> > >> *---------------------* > >> > >> Let me know if you have any questions in regards to the above. > >> > >> *---------------------* > >> > >> Also let me when is the best time to chat about your role going forward > >> with Ubuntu Team South Carolina. I would really like to know where you > >> see yourself in the next few months and exactly what you would like to > >> do (* *LIKE** being the keyword and also keep in mind what are **GOOD > >> AT** and what you **LIKE** to do is probably the best thing for you - > >> since this will keep your interest and you will have *FUN* at it!). > >> That's my motto. > >> > >> Starting points: > >> > >> What programming languages do you know and which do you consider your > >> favorites? That might be a starting point. > >> > >> From there, what do you see yourself doing in 3 - 6 years? What are > >> doing now and in the next few years will definitely help your resume > >> when you graduate high school (for colleges) and then again when you go > >> to get a job when you graduate college! Believe me, it worked for me. It > >> really does help a lot. What you are doing now molds your future. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Craig > > > > OK. I understand. And I am sorry if the bot keeps bugging you about the > > topic. I will try to not change the topic as much as possible. Concerning > > the roles of Ubuntu SC I would like to keep being the Co-Team Leader. > > Also I would like to still be able to be operator of #ubuntu-us-sc. Also, > > I would like to be the lead programmer of Ubuntu SC (if there is such, if > > not then I would like to create such a "job"). I would also like to keep > > the ability to edit the http://www.ubuntusc.com/ website, if possible. > > > > I will now list the things that I am good at(if you understand what I > > mean): > > > > Programming (more on this later) > > Web Design > > Some Graphic Design things (little knowledge through; still learning) > > Other things (I just don't know exactly how to word them) > > > > As for the programming languages that I know of; I have listed them > > below: > > > > C/C++ > > Visual Basic > > QuickBASIC > > Ruby > > Perl > > HTML > > CSS > > Java > > Javascript > > Some Coldfusion > > C# > > J# > > PHP > > Pascal > > TI-BASIC > > > > Hope this helps. > > Signed, > > > > Flare > > > > Jesse N. Richardson/Flare183/Richardson183 > > --------------------------- > > Jesse N. Richardson (Flare) > > Linux jesse-desktop 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 > > i686 GNU/Linux > > > > Kubuntu 7.10 > > You Rock and You Rule! Dear Craig, I understand what you are saying. I don't want any more roles than what I already have. But if there is anything else that you need from me just ask. I also understand that you really can't believe me when I say that I know 13 (or around that number) programming languages. Well, to tell you the truth I know some about each but I know the most in C/C++. I didn't really me to brag and I am sorry for this. Forgive me. But I would like to keep my current roles and to leave it at that. I'm sorry that I got carried away. So, I'm sorry. I hope you understand. Signed, Flare ---------------------------- Jesse N. Richardson (Flare) Linux jesse-desktop 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux Kubuntu 7.10 You Rock and You Rule!