Okita, use -sid if you want the styles, you have to create a temporary file with mplayer's yuv4mpeg output First step would be to have it play in MPlayer :) or use AviSynth DogBoy: Ah, I see Arwen: But if I don't want styles, -sid will work? it should. -sid number and people still use SSA? I thought it was replaced by more modern formats like SRT already. what's more modern about that I just want to convert from mkv to avi gah, here I am feeding Arwen troll again "SSA is bloated and contains many unneccessary formatting commands that range from vector drawing to text animation." And the subtitles got dumped out in SSA "Its syntax is a mess and thus there has only ever been one functional renderer for the format, the development of which has ceased entirely." Okita, sometimes you can do that by just saving the stream as avi using virtualdubmod "It is an artifact of the past that is simply not needed today, much like interlacing." Arwen stuff it DogBoy: This is just an mkv I was handed, I didn't create it yea but it's possible to save it as avi unless the codec used is not compatible worth a try, you don't necessarily have to re-encode it "Outside of use in certain fansubbing circles, it has already been superceded by the superior SubRip Text format, which has a clean plain-text human-readable layout. Except within some die-hard 'anime' communities, it is considered an extinct format." But it has soft subs, and they won't suddenly turn into hard subs, right? =) at least look at it with mkvinfo eh? if you use MEncoder with -sid it will hardsub your video Might also need -vf expand. That's what I'm doing? yes, plz to add more sharp edges to the video Arwen, did someone say they cared about your opinion about ssa do I care whether or not they did? my point exactly my point exactly essence of a troll it's not a troll if it's true What does the sid option mean? subtitle ID number Like, what number should I put following it? hmm, that's a good question. where are you getting this crap from anyway Arwen DogBoy, the Multimedia Wiki "superceded by the superior SubRip Text format" hehe and it's true, SSA sucks and the end user can specify their own styling anyway so it's really just code bloat specify it how with -font? and -fontsize? and color? mm hmm like what, show me you're so smart -ass-color? oh... sounds nasty hehe ass color lol I tried -sid 0, but that didnt' do it my ass is BLACK I guess this is how the bible got started %B%IIRC has overrides too hmm, that didn't work someone said it was the word of god RAWR okay, so here's what I did: "mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -sub subtitle.ssa -sid 0 -o output.avi input.avi" * CTho|zzz is now known as CTho input.avi is the repacked mkv already, just needs subtitles You can't use -ovc copy and change the video. you could just mux the subtitles into it with avimuxgui It just copies the raw frames. yea but that would be stupid and why would that be so? ? yea but that would be stupid you suggested it, defend your dumb suggestion So what do I put besides "copy"? you called it stupid, you elaborate why Okita: Whatever codec you want. i'm watching tv with "mplayer /dev/video0", and my config is set up with cache=8192. i can pause with spacebar... can i move backwards/forwards a few seconds? or is this just another ad hominem in disguise? how does the cache grow when i have it paused? DogBoy, morover, it's commonly accepted that the one who makes an accusation is the one that needs to defend it Arwen: The one who makes a suggestion defends it. Or rather: A point. did you have one? I said that subtitles can be muxed into AVI with AviMuxGUI. it's just so much smoke, most of what you say No point there. exactly You said it was stupid, a point. You explain. you could also far green cheese far? s/far/fart/ actually, I probably couldn't So your analogy doesn't make sense. troll... ad hominem But true. :/ "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]" explain? subtitles in AVI lol * Dark_Shikari_ is now known as Dark_Shikari subtitles in AVI have existed for a long time Yes, much like B-frames in AVI and so? doesn't mean they should exist and are far more compatible in general than subtitles in MKV or OGM doesn't mean they're supported by the standard um the AVI standard does not allow subtitle streams -.- it was a dumb suggestion much like it doesn't allow B-frames the "standard" supports at least 100 streams of *any kind* not any kind it doesn't support VBR audio, for exmaple *for example that is a "stream of any kind" but it does no, it doesn't. like chris rock said, you can drive a car with your feet, but that don't make it a good idea Dark_Shikari: Actually, while the AVI standard does not allow B-Frames, it does indeed allow subtitles and multiple audio streams. MP3-VBR-in-AVI is a dirty hack This is probably the piece of disinformation most widely spread about AVI. Seeking in an MP3-VBR audio stream in DirectShow works as if it was a video stream, not an audio stream: Each chunk contains data for a constant amount of time (usually 33 or 40 ms for video, or 24 ms for MP3 audio at 48 kHz). The chunk/frame to be loaded is just [time] / [time per frame], as if it was a video stream. The way MP3-VBR is sought in is valid for AVI files. Maybe it was not intended to be used for audio streams, maybe it was, fact is, the specification doesn't limit any particular seeking strategy to any particular stream type! There is a value in the stream headers, called dwSampleSize, which is 0 in order to trigger VBR stream seeking. This is officially documented in the MSDN and not a hack, bug or whatever. The way MP3-VBR and AAC are stored in AVI are specified and completely com pliant with the AVI file specification. mencoder -ovc help lists like 4 codecs, and I don't see xivd, x264, or anything like that hehe, he just continues trolling even harder thats because you need to install libx264 libxvid etc Dark_Shikari: Of course, you still shouldn't use them, because that stuff is funky and there is next to no support for it. :) Of course DogBoy, explain. Arwen, by the same logic AC3 is allowed in MP4 It is, indeed, supported by the standard You can put it in as a private stream now we're discussing your nonsense remark in detail of course, since no decoder in the world will recognize such a thing its pointless to do so Dark_Shikari: Dark_Shikari: Installing the xvid package wouldn't get me that? except, I have VBR MP3 in AVI putting a subtitle stream in AVI is exactly the same thing as putting AC3 in an MP4 private stream and Microsoft's splitter and decoders handle it fine Okita--you'll have to compile mplayer with libxvid and VSFilter handles subs in AVI just fine too Arwen, that doesn't mean its compatible with the standard nor does it mean its a good thing to do AVI. Microsoft IS the standard. Arwen, AVI is not by Microsoft AVI 2.0 is by the OpenDML group zzz and you're talking about _if_ you can do it, not if it's a good idea Most "AVI" containers are not Microsoft AVI-compatible you still haven't defended your initial remark if it can be done and if it works, it's inherently a good idea Dark_Shikari: I was afraid that might be the case Just because I *can* make a file with H.264 video and B-references hence trolling and Vorbis audio does not mean its a good idea *An AVI file Arwen, so therefore, AC3 in MP4 is a good idea? Vorbis in MP4 is a good idea? MP3 in JPEG is a good idea? > if it can be done and if it works, it's inherently a good idea you're just compounding your initial nonsensical remark Arwen FLAC in PNG is a good idea? how does MP3 in JPEG work? TAR in FLAC is a good idea? You can do MP3 in JPEG in a number of ways encode the MP3 data as image data, and stuff it in the main stream or attach it as a private stream Loren Merrit demonstrated putting TAR files in FLAC files doesn't mean it isn't absurd you're arguing by comparing my suggestion to absurdities anyways, I'm starting a game of Starcraft. So have fun trolling. but you just said if it can be done and if it works, it's inherently a good idea if it can be done and if it works, it's inherently a good idea if it can be done and if it works, it's inherently a good idea the fact is that subs and VBR in AVI work fine. They don't even have any significant disadvantages. ;) anyways starcraft so you've strayed from the point (which I maintain as being correct) which was that putting subs in the AVI was a viable and perfectly valid alternative to hardsubbing? eh? why is that the fact is that subs and VBR in AVI work fine. They don't even have any significant disadvantages. you have yet to list one why is it any better than just having a separate file .srt? because you reduce the number of files you're carrying around? which is very editable you're being ludicrous It is not a viable alternative if you want to play the file on a hardware player, which is usually the reason people want to hardsub stuff. why is having audio in video better than just having separate mp3s? Better locality of data? :) I guess getting Arwen to admit he's trolling is not going to happen Of course not. but I'm convinced anyway because I believe 100% in my statements and that's enough just because you don't agree does not make me a troll what's to agree or disagree with? it's got nothing to do with what Okita was asking it's more about stroking your ego Is there a Linux tool that can convert SSA->SRT real quick? Okita, Aegisub I feel like that would solve these problems pretty quick I think MPlayer can dump subs to SRT format too sabbu works too DogBoy, he asked about converting an MKV to AVI. yeap it sure can so within that scope it has a lot to do I know what he asked Mplayer itself can just go SSA->SRT? -dumpsrtsub that's a yes heh you can also do -dumpjacosub and -dumpsami and -dumpmicrodvdsub and a lot of other things DogBoy: But I can't even get the SSA subtitles to show on top of the video yea well, exactly but according to Arwen they're obsolete they are... even the 'anime' community is moving farther and farther away from it towards the "ASS" format and its proposed successor to "AS5" format but from Okita's comment we can see that your whole rant was besides the point which of course we already knew "Outside of use in certain fansubbing circles, it has already been superceded by the superior SubRip Text format, blah blah blah it's true it's also besides the point lol who cares? the point is what you make it to be said the troll dogs don't get to comment on intricate human communication stop the ad hominem I was just pointing out that you tend to tend to spout off more than help out a great deal of the time and I was just pointing out that instead of helping out you switch to attacking me a great deal of the time uh huh the "-ass" option doesn't work? not with MEncoder I said that way back Yeah, this is mplayer, I'm trying that other workaround with the mkfifo before this turned into a pissing contest