[22:22] <+FZeroX> K`Tetch, you here now? If so I'll give you like a walk-through of Gazelle and explain why it's awesome [22:23] ok FZeroX [22:23] I have a bit of expoeriance with tbsource based sites (helped run one years ago) [22:24] <+FZeroX> ok [22:24] <+FZeroX> well, tbsource is a bit naff [22:24] <+FZeroX> it's buggy, and slow [22:24] by years ago, i mean it closed end of 03 [22:25] <+FZeroX> Gazelle is a complete from-scratch project [22:25] back then, it was the best available [22:25] i know [22:25] <+FZeroX> when it's considered "finished" it will be released as an open source thing so everyone can use it, and obviously it'll be powering what.cd soon [22:25] i did the research on it when it was first announced [22:25] <+FZeroX> ok [22:26] <+FZeroX> well the main advantages as I see it are that it'll be faster, have more features, and it'll be easier to fiddle with the code (thus making new features and bugfixes easier) [22:26] <+FZeroX> here's the main page courtesy of Spednar: http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9039/gazelle1cw8.jpg (the underline writing is his notes) [22:27] <+FZeroX> very standard, all the usual torrent site stuff is there [22:27] * K`Tetch looks at his main page [22:28] <~qMark> does K`Tetch not have an account? [22:28] FZeroX - http://that-project.what.cd/user.php?id=103 the account thisman was kind enough to set up the other day, for me and my writer [22:28] <~qMark> oh :) [22:28] <+FZeroX> oh, cool, that makes things easier ^_^ [22:28] Just a statistic, the browse query, which is huge, mind you, runs in 0.0019 seconds (Courtesy of the debug tool (currently disabled)) [22:28] qMark: He does not, and I'm sure would enjoy one. ;) [22:28] <~qMark> why not take this to a dif room so there are not a dozen interjections [22:29] I guess he does [22:29] I stand corrected [22:29] <~qMark> i know i am tempted to interject and prob shouldnt :) [22:29] <+FZeroX> up to K`Tetch :) [22:31] <+FZeroX> Vars: do we have any statistics on how long certain pages to take to load on the current site and on gazelle, out of interest? [22:31] FZeroX: Not for the current site [22:31] <+FZeroX> k [22:32] <+FZeroX> through the very scientific method of clicking links in my browser and watching, Gazelle seems faster :P [22:32] If I recall the numbers the Gazelle Debug pane gave, most queries run in < 0.002 seconds [22:33] <+hilikus> thats only with < 100 users... [22:33] <+FZeroX> it's on the same server as what.cd [22:33] hilikus: same server, and mysql instance, however, and it is still noticeably faster [22:33] <+FZeroX> so, however fast it is now, it will be faster after the switch [22:33] <+FZeroX> because server load will be lower [22:34] <+hilikus> but that just means the query is fast [22:34] <+FZeroX> K`Tetch, obvious new feature is the ubiquitous tagging, artists and torrents can have tags [22:34] <+FZeroX> hilikus, the site itself *is* faster :) [22:34] You can debate semantics all you want, all I want to say is that whatman and skully did a great job optimizing everything. [22:35] <+Zerachiel> and the hammer slams [22:36] <+Zerachiel> my bad [22:36] <+Zerachiel> the Gavel slams down [22:36] <~qMark> FZeroX invite [22:36] <+FZeroX> o_O [22:37] <+FZeroX> yes qMark? [22:37] <~qMark> invited oyu to a channel [22:37] <~qMark> join it plox [22:42] <+FZeroX> o> [22:37] *** now talking in #tf [22:37] *** channel #tf mode is +snt [22:37] *** channel created at Thu Mar 06 22:33:42 2008 [22:37] stupid client -_- [22:37] <@qMark> there ya are... away from hilikus and kj [22:38] thank christ Â¬_Â¬ [22:38] <@qMark> im going idle.. highlight me if theres a Q you need me for [22:38] I think hilikus is upset [22:38] ok [22:38] *** qMark sets channel #tf mode +oo FZeroX K`Tetch [22:38] *** qMark sets channel #tf mode +l 3 [22:38] <@FZeroX> so, tagging! http://that-project.what.cd/torrents.php?searchtags=altrock [22:38] <@FZeroX> which is very cool [22:39] <@K`Tetch> for genre, right [22:39] <@FZeroX> far less restrictive than the previous genre system, where people would argue for a long time over whether such and such a band was rock or metal [22:39] <@FZeroX> when tagging is finished people will all be able to add tags and vote existing tags up and down, I believe is the plan [22:40] <@K`Tetch> multiple tags per upload? [22:40] <@FZeroX> yup [22:40] <@FZeroX> the CtrlAltDelete torrent on that page has 5 tags [22:41] <@K`Tetch> slow laoding for me - my modem+router are overheating [22:41] <@FZeroX> ah ok [22:41] <@FZeroX> well basically it showed the two albums with those tags, and one of them was tagged "altrock, eng, postrock, unitedkingdom, gb" [22:41] <@FZeroX> and clicking any of those tags takes you straight to a search of all cds with those tags [22:42] <@FZeroX> all pretty standard really [22:43] <@K`Tetch> yep [22:44] <@K`Tetch> what makes this different from a site admins pov [22:45] <@FZeroX> I'm not an admin so I can only talk you through the bits that have been publically announced [22:45] <@K`Tetch> ah, ok [22:45] <@FZeroX> but there's a very flexible user class system [22:45] <@FZeroX> with very fine permission controls [22:45] <@K`Tetch> hang on, i'm going to unplug my router, let it cool off, brb [22:45] <@FZeroX> ok [22:46] *** K`Tetch quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ktetch)) [22:47] *** K`Tetch (blah@What?-5B963E37.asm.bellsouth.net) joined [22:47] ok [22:48] <@FZeroX> have a look at http://that-project.what.cd/torrents.php?searchtags=altrock if your internets is behaving now :) [22:49] it is behaving [22:49] <@FZeroX> ok [22:49] <@FZeroX> well that will show you the tagging [22:50] <@FZeroX> and if you click the "+" next to the LostAlone torrent you'll see my 2nd favourite feature in action, too [22:50] <@FZeroX> and here's some admin backend stuff: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5089/newwhat6ag1.png http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8337/newwhat7xk4.png showcasing the awesome permissions controls [22:51] InTheCave #tf [22:51] *** qMark sets channel #tf mode -l [22:52] InTheCave #tf [22:52] <@FZeroX> I guess that helps :P [22:52] *** InTheCave (InTheCave@InTheCave.user.what.cd) joined [22:52] <@qMark> maybe? i dunno if invite overides that [22:53] <@FZeroX> he made it \o/ [22:53] hi [22:53] i'll shut up [22:53] <@FZeroX> qMark: I know there are other admin things, wanna field this question? [22:44] <@K`Tetch> what makes this different from a site admins pov [22:53] ok, so that just shows the different versions of the same 'track' [22:53] <@qMark> http://that-project.what.cd/torrents.php?id=27&torrentid=30&peers=30 this is a good album page with a peers list. [22:54] also ahndy for movie sites with dvdrip, dvdr, dvdscr cam etc [22:54] <@qMark> yes K`Tetch exactly. [22:54] and soon, BR-rip and BR-scr [22:55] <@FZeroX> yeah [22:55] <@FZeroX> it's a really useful feature, it'll make the search results much tidier and make finding things easier [22:55] <@qMark> from an admin standpoint alot of those features are still being developed. But the biggest thing is how it functions out of the box. There won't be hundreds of tiny fixes that need to be done you just pop into the userclass cp/ permissions cp and the forums cp change the categories and you are off [22:57] <@qMark> there is already modding taking place. We have created a 0day style upload page and browse page category wise... Upload page including nfo etc. So that it is easily ported to something other than a music site. [22:57] <@FZeroX> and there's the ticket system? [22:58] http://that-project.what.cd/tickets.php?action=my [22:58] <@FZeroX> yup [22:58] <@qMark> ah yes tickets [22:58] <@qMark> and there is the KB but it is still in the works. [22:58] <@FZeroX> which will streamline finding help, or giving help from an admin's point of view [22:58] <@FZeroX> oh, other thing that's noteworthy about the album grouping, is that you only get ONE description of the album and version of the album art, rather than it being a per-torrent thing [22:58] <@qMark> ill find a post regarding the KB [22:59] <@FZeroX> so if there are 4 versions of the LostAlone torrent uploaded, on what.cd they might all have different descriptions... on gazelle they will have just one, shared between them, which anyone can edit - one of a few "wiki" sections of the site [23:01] <@qMark> K`Tetch http://pastebin.ca/931064 is a post about the Knowledge Database including a screenshot [23:02] ok [23:02] KB? [23:02] <@FZeroX> Knowledge Base [23:02] ok [23:03] sorry, KB to me means kickban [23:04] <@FZeroX> if we go back to the search again.. http://that-project.what.cd/torrents.php?searchstr=mcfly [23:05] <@FZeroX> if you click "Motion in the Ocean" you're taken to the page for the three torrents of that album [23:05] <@qMark> i gotta go.. i hope someone can answer any more questions :) [23:05] <@qMark> Thank you for your time K`Tetch [23:05] <@FZeroX> but if you click "McFly" you're taken to my #1 feature [23:05] <@FZeroX> thanks qMark :) [23:05] <@FZeroX> (i.e. you go to http://that-project.what.cd/artist.php?id=107 ) [23:05] <@qMark> and thanks FZeroX [23:05] the artists page [23:05] <@FZeroX> yeah [23:06] yeah, thanks qMark\ [23:06] <@FZeroX> so that shows all their albums, torrents, a description which anyone can edit, a picture, tags, statistics, similar artists [23:07] will existing tb skins/themes work with it? [23:07] <@FZeroX> I'm pretty sure the answer to that is "no" [23:07] <@FZeroX> I don't personally know how the skinning system on either of them works tho [23:09] we could find out that answer for certain though, of course [23:10] <@FZeroX> I'm asking Emm right now ;) [23:10] she's likely going to say she doesn't know ask a9 [23:11] no worries atm [23:13] <@FZeroX> lol [23:13] <@FZeroX> ok what else [23:13] <@FZeroX> messages! [23:14] <@FZeroX> ok K`Tetch, I sent you a message [23:14] <@FZeroX> if you send me one back we'll get to see the "conversation" system in action [23:15] <@FZeroX> on the theme front, they can't just be transferred over cos improvement has been made there [23:15] <@FZeroX> the CSS for gazelle is much cleaner [23:15] <@FZeroX> the basic TB themes will probably be ported over to gazelle for release tho :) [23:16] ok [23:17] <@FZeroX> ok [23:17] <@FZeroX> check your inbox again [23:18] shame it doesn't notify you there's been a respnse [23:18] <@FZeroX> it will [23:18] <@FZeroX> it's only an alpha after all :P [23:19] erm it does actually, once you rotate off inbox.php [23:19] <@FZeroX> ok [23:19] <@FZeroX> latest on themes, cos I keep getting it wrong [23:19] there'll be a "new message" notification across the top in a red box [23:19] it only showed me the red box initially on the inbox page [23:19] some pages are cached a bit longer than ideal at the moment for the alpha test [23:20] and when you replied, no box [23:20] <@FZeroX> we only have one designer who basically does everything (and she does a lovely job), she's gonna transfer over what.cd's existing themes to gazelle for our purposes, she doesn't know about transferring over the default tb themes, but assumes a set of themes will be released with Gazelle [23:20] yeah, its not a problem [23:20] ok, cool [23:20] any idea on the sort of 'limits' it'll have? [23:20] will the limits be tracker or frontend, at how many users? [23:21] or rather, any idea of the limits in comparison to the existing stuff running on the same hardware [23:22] <@FZeroX> I believe WhatMan was hoping to double the user count on the same hardware [23:22] <@FZeroX> that's entirely speculation tho, we'll just have to see what happens [23:22] but thats the aim, ok [23:22] good enough [23:26] *** Emm (emm@What?-90D3FC47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined [23:26] <@FZeroX> Emm = the one designer I was talking about [23:26] \o/ [23:26] hi em [23:26] harro [23:27] * InTheCave waves [23:27] I hear themes are much easier this time around? [23:28] * Emm smooches InTheCave and then gets srs bsns [23:28] umm K`Tetch it's easier from the coder's point of view. i just happen to have a brainlink with the guy that made gazelle's css, so i can read it much easier [23:29] ok [23:29] for everyone else, i think it'll be easier, just because everything is labeled very obviously [23:29] is there a chance to be much more different with the layous via the themes [23:29] lets face it, most private sites look the same, just different colours/icons [23:29] you mean changing the layout via the css? [23:29] yeah [23:30] (I'm no coder, i'm an engineer by training/experiance) [23:30] ahh gotcha [23:30] yeah, to a degree things should be able to be moved around [23:31] I mean, right now, empornium looks a lot like scenetorrents, which looks a lot like what [23:31] the css is just the mask over the actual code. it only tells the site where things should be and what size they are, etc. all the real code just works underneath that [23:31] so it should be pretty customizable ^.^ [23:31] so sites can be a bit more individualistic [23:32] if they have anyone who knows css well, yup! [23:32] ok, very cool [23:33] i'm not positive, but i assume the sites could completely rewrite the css if they wanted to and everythin should still work [23:33] (i wish the css guy was in here atm x.x all i really do is edit it. hehe) [23:35] not a problem [23:36] <@FZeroX> on the speed front I don't know which out of the tracker or the site is the normal bottleneck [23:36] wonder, can the site be used, like demonoids, as a public/private site? [23:36] *** Stewy|afk (stewy@mod.what.cd) joined [23:36] <@FZeroX> I *think* it's the site, but both are rewritten - we have a new tracker, too [23:36] *** LogicalUser (LogicalUse@mod.what.cd) joined [23:37] <@FZeroX> I don't know if there's some switch somewhere that can turn it into a public site [23:37] wonder, can the site be used, like demonoids, as a public/private site? [23:37] It's meant for developers, so it can be modified to do anything ;) [23:38] it can even be a chocolate factory. that would be yummy [23:38] <@FZeroX> o_O [23:38] * Stewy|afk makes a bad Willy Wonka joke [23:39] *** Stewy|afk changed nick to Stewy [23:39] something like demonoid was [23:39] a public site, with private accounts, iirc [23:40] if they had a server that could handle it, it should be more than possible [23:40] depends how you mean, demonoid was lots of things [23:40] letting the public openly create accounts is easy [23:41] *** dblaze (dblaze@what.cd) joined [23:41] K`Tetch: It's not coded in to be like that, but my hope for the future would be to get a nice group of developers who could release mods which would be something devs could easily follow and make the tracker similar to demonoid's [23:41] Or if they wanted threaded forms, we could have a mod for that [23:42] I'm sure FZeroX would contribute to something like that too ;P [23:43] lol@ the threaded forums Stewy :| [23:43] we had quite an epic debate over whether the forums would stay the same or threaded and no one wanted threaded :( [23:43] hehe Emm, I'll mod threaded forums for you, they'll be just like failart :P [23:44] :P [23:44] yuk threaded [23:44] nobody wanted threaded for what.cd, people using gazelle can make their own decision for their own sites [23:44] * Emm is used to deviantart's forums that work perfectly well threaded \o/ [23:44] anyway [23:44] um ,ya [23:45] the point is, gazelle is coded so that developers can make it into whatever they want it to be hopefully. i think LogicalUser already said that :B [23:45] and newsgroups [23:47] Ok, I'm goign to try an upload in a sec - usual what.cd rules apply to uploads on here? [23:48] <@FZeroX> I think the rules are the same [23:48] <@FZeroX> no one's really gonna care if you break them :P [23:48] Yeah, I'm sure you've seen some of the stupid uploads [23:48] ya, its for testing purposes [23:48] yeah we've been loading lots of "fun" stuffs [23:48] ok, thought better to make sure [23:48] <@FZeroX> make sure you try out autofill at some point [23:48] * K`Tetch has a 1.5Gb enigma discography he could do [23:48] heh, no worries :P [23:48] <@FZeroX> (it works if there's already an album uploaded with the same artist and name) [23:49] ok [23:49] well, my mp3 list consists engirely of guitar hero and rock band tracks, plus the enigma tracks [23:50] oh oh my chem from guitar hero \o/ [23:50] freebird is teh ban tho [23:50] feel free to upload stuff that would break the rules just to test, if you wish [23:50] radium eyes and yyz are my favs [23:51] <@FZeroX> yyz ftw [23:51] someone uploaded a movie lol [23:51] godfather or somethin lol [23:51] i won't mention what i uploaded [23:51] also, been working on a concert, and trying to get freezepop [23:53] <@FZeroX> <3 freezepop [23:53] <@FZeroX> loved them since Amplitude came out [23:55] haha we have features i don't even know about yet [23:55] * Emm is still playing around with it [23:55] * Emm is kinda slow [23:56] *** dblaze changed nick to dblaze|away [23:56] haha, Emm [23:56] The Permissions system is awesome [23:57] We all probably saw http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8337/newwhat7xk4.png already [23:57] by the way, K`Tetch, i'm not sure how/if this was mentioned before, but the way gazelle looks now on there is going to change. i was waiting till everything was tested and working before i perfect the look of the default css look. so be prepared for it to be even prettier when we launch it officially :) [23:58] Stewy yeah qMark touched on that earlier [23:58] myself, i'm looking forward to the coders being able to make changes and it not being a 3hr dig into the depths of the TBsource to accomplish it [00:00] thats fine emm [00:01] i'll probably see if i can take another look just as its about to go live [00:01] i'm not sure how much to say about this, as i know it isn't a gazelle thing and will only be a what addition, but we have little surprise still coming [00:02] involving the faq/help section [00:03] which, as LogicalUser just pointed out in another room, is why gazelle has no faq and such yet [00:03] i'm not sure if we're releasing the code what will be using for it, or if we have an alternative version [00:03] a traditional styled FAQ could be coded very easily [00:04] or integrated into the rules section [00:05] emm - you mean the knowledgebase? [00:05] lol [00:05] yes [00:05] i guess you've already been made aware then XD [00:05] and let me just say, personally, without any bias as a mod, it is my favorite part of the new system ;) [00:06] and not because it was your idea :P [00:07] learning about torrents/ripping/piracy, in general, has never been quite accessable unless you knew where to look or were very persistent [00:07] that is true [00:07] imo the torrent community can only grow stronger by users being more educated [00:07] so much so, i've been considering writing a book about it [00:07] can i pirate the ebook of it? [00:07] :D [00:08] and it was more yibbles' idea at first than mine, Stewy [00:08] aha [00:08] he wanted a system of helping, i had a lightbulb while trying to use comcast's help system, etc [00:10] i'd like everyone to have access to the help info K`Tetch, but we have to save some of the good stuff for what ^.^ [00:10] it would also be a little difficult to have it in gazelle, as the kb works with the rest of our site pretty specifically [00:10] but on that note, has anyone made you aware of the ticketing system K`Tetch? [00:11] (of which i also pushed very strongly for, ahem, Stewy) [00:11] ;) [00:12] <@FZeroX> yeah I showed the ticketing already :0 [00:12] <@FZeroX> :) [00:12] <@FZeroX> I did give you logs >.> [00:12] i did mention i'm slow? [00:12] heh [00:13] i make stuff pretty, i never said i could read :< [00:13] ok, uploaded a torrent, nice not having to re-download the torrent [00:13] if you had forgotten the private flag it would have prompted you [00:13] and forced you to re-download [00:13] :) [00:14] a, good [00:14] but the torrent edit doesn't seem to be working [00:14] not finished [00:14] yeah you can't edit forum posts either, unfortunately for me and my slowness -.- [00:14] ok [00:15] the functionality is there, just missing a little bit of javascript [00:15] last i heard [00:15] I was just goign to corect the spelling of Venitian [00:15] Venetian [00:15] your torrent will forever be mispelled. nahnah [00:15] misspelled? [00:15] anyway [00:16] misspelt [00:16] woah, 1397 torrents [00:16] FZeroX: Was there a hax to edit torrents as well? [00:16] <@FZeroX> uh [00:16] <@FZeroX> I don't know [00:16] <@FZeroX> I will try [00:17] It'd be nice if I still could see the code :P [00:17] <@FZeroX> "You have encountered an unexpected error." [00:17] <@FZeroX> guess not :P [00:17] now you know how i felt while trying to design a layout without being able to see the content for a while Stewy. rofl [00:17] was ugly with code displayed everywhere :P [00:18] ugly before i stepped in. i honestly sometimes feel like a superhero, and i spin like superman in the booth, and everything comes out lovely [00:19] except for whatman having to code it, and all [00:19] he's my robin :B [00:19] * Emm shuts up [00:19] <@FZeroX> good plan *thumbs up* [00:19] <@FZeroX> >_> [00:21] i hate you sometimes [00:21] -.- [00:22] but yeah, gazelle [00:22] yup [00:22] i expect we'll see more features just as soon as the coders get some sleep? :) [00:22] <@FZeroX> tbh new features keep appearing as I watch the site [00:23] still UI changes, as well as new pages to be completed [00:30] it's coming along swimmingly [00:30] i for one just discovered the other half of the friends list [00:31] the enemies list? [00:31] the 'watched' list, for moderators [00:31] actually an enemies list would be a riot [00:31] naw [00:32] maybe on april 1 [00:32] * InTheCave plants naughty april fool's thoughts in Emm's head [00:32] but this is cool from an administration standpoint... "Checked up on by LogicalUser on Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:28 PM UTC (1 minute ago)" [00:33] <@FZeroX> nice [00:35] oh [00:35] april. i hadn't even thought of that [00:35] >:D [00:36] * InTheCave waters & nurtures planted thoughts [00:37] a gazelle relase hoax? [00:37] +e [00:37] oh no [00:37] it will be more subtle than that [00:37] <@FZeroX> that would be mean. [00:38] <@FZeroX> hm [00:38] anyway, gazelle! ahem [00:38] it would... and a bit too transparent [00:39] on a side note, my favorite internet april fool's joke ever was when digitallyimported.fm said they'd be adding a polka station. they totally had me [00:40] <@FZeroX> Google does the best April fool's jokes [00:40] <@FZeroX> anyway, gazelle :P [00:40] btw feel free to ignore us/keep asking stuff K`Tetch. lol [00:40] <@FZeroX> K`Tetch, did you have a play with the upload / autofill? [00:42] yeah [00:42] okies, I'm starting to collate stuff together now for ben to work on, if he's got any questoins, I'll shout back [00:43] cool :D [00:44] <@FZeroX> cool :) [00:45] so we can go back to april fool's scheming, then? [00:45] mwhahahaha [00:46] 0:) [00:46] ]:^) [00:47] Thanks K`Tetch :) [00:47] oh, any idea when it'll be ready to go? [00:47] any sort of timeline? [00:48] Emm: force the theme to change randomly every 41 minutes... [00:48] i have not heard any recent timeline yet, the coders would be the ones with those answers :) [00:52] K`Tetch: I know we're going to wait to release it for What until our new tracker is done, but as LogicalUser said, WhatMan probably has an answer for you. [00:53] k [01:18] *** Emm changed nick to Emm|away [02:04] *** qMark quit (User has left the What.CD IRC) [02:34] *** WhereMan (what@what.cd) joined [02:34] Ooh, look at all the people.