[22:14] why not allow -500 for top or bottom? [22:14] i think tat makes it more interesting [22:14] that would be bad for no 1 and no 2 [22:15] no it wouldn't [22:15] no 1 would use -500 on player 2 and no 2 would use -500 on player 1 [22:15] the joker has no effect [22:15] the idea is to nuke the guy up front, not the one on the back. for that you have to boost yourself [22:15] or [22:15] that's why i came up with the + and - [22:16] see [22:16] nuking poses a risk [22:16] if number 1 and number 2 hit each other [22:16] they'll let #3 get ahead [22:16] however [22:16] if #1 uses + [22:16] but if you boost yourself [22:16] then he'll maintain his lead [22:16] player 2 [22:16] it's a strategic decision the player can make [22:16] can nuke you without risk [22:17] yup [22:17] like a chess game [22:17] :D [22:17] timing is all [22:17] :D [22:17] which is why [22:17] these will have to be PMd [22:17] basically if #1, #2 and #3 had equal poinst and all used the -500 on eachother it will end up in #3, #1, #2 [22:17] thats a good idea [22:18] ooh good point boursk [22:18] that's too much math for my head at 2.15am [22:18] what do we do if there's equal scores? [22:18] ill just take it as granted [22:18] they won't be "above" or "below" [22:18] good point.. [22:18] should we allow it for equal as well? [22:18] id say, they cant make use of number 1 and 2 [22:19] above/below is on equal place? [22:19] which means they'd have to wait for the ranks to change [22:19] more interesting that way [22:19] i think [22:19] well [22:19] meh you can have the same points with more than 1 person [22:19] >.< [22:19] wait [22:19] then again [22:19] if it's in the end game [22:19] they probably won't change [22:19] that might no happen [22:19] if they're equal by endgame [22:19] ya [22:19] just the person who's placed higher/lower [22:20] oh [22:20] i got an idea [22:20] gimme sec [22:20] k [22:20] yea [22:20] option 1 [22:20] +450 [22:20] option 2 [22:20] if #3 is filled with 2 people "above" is #2 and "below" is #5 [22:20] at cost of -100, -500 for someone above, below, or tied [22:20] option 3 is the same [22:21] that way, there's some risk for nuking someone [22:21] or you could play it safe and put yourself ahead [22:21] hm.. there's always some risk. coz you may pass the person you nuked [22:21] and he nukes back in retaliation [22:21] it doesn't matter if you pass [22:21] since you can nuke above or below [22:22] basically switching places [22:22] i still think you should only nuke above.. and equally [22:22] that's what kay means with passes [22:22] right [22:22] in that case there's no net gain or loss [22:22] that will be something the players decide [22:22] like a chess game [22:22] how about more minus points for nuking above, but less for nuking below? [22:23] i think that will make it too complicated lol [22:23] ya [22:23] i dont' really see a reason for it either [22:23] gotta keep the rule somewhat simple [22:23] i think it's better to keep the options open [22:23] let the players decide [22:23] if you're already ahead you technically don't need to nuke below (unless you're #1) [22:23] ya [22:24] you could [22:24] if you were afraid some guy is catching up [22:24] in which case you would boost yourself [22:24] i know someone here had a beached ghost ship :) [22:24] sure, but in that case, isn't it better to lower the minus points for nuking below? [22:24] no [22:24] the player has to make a choice [22:24] oh [22:25] i see what you mean [22:25] kei, do you mind linking me to the pastbin of the joker? [22:25] [22:01] lol [22:25] ... [22:25] http://pastebin.ca/945510 [22:25] :S [22:26] you're quoting my lol? [22:26] XD [22:26] there's something I wanna add to the rule [22:26] the same player cant be nuker more than "X" times [22:26] huh? [22:26] be nuked* [22:26] you can't use joker more than once anyway right? [22:26] oh [22:26] nah [22:27] i don't like it [22:27] well im just trying to prevent someone trying to mess up the game [22:27] i mean sure it might be bad for one guy but i think that would fit with the spirit of the joker [22:27] well, it would be pretty hard [22:27] cuz only a few ppl are qualified to nuke one guy [22:28] it's only after week 9, right? so that leaves week 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 to use the joker [22:28] it can't be that bad........ [22:28] i guess [22:28] well, we need to reach an agreement point wise then [22:28] okay [22:28] first of all, are we going to allow nuking below? [22:29] here's my proposal [22:29] 1: +500 [22:29] 2: -100/-700 [22:29] 3: -500 [22:30] alternatively, we could do (but the numbers won't be as round) [22:30] 1: +450 [22:30] 2: -100/-600 [22:30] 3: -500 [22:30] above/below are both fair game [22:31] are we going to allow nuking below? [22:31] I thought kay was against it? [22:31] still am [22:31] i'm for it [22:31] i see no reason to restrict players [22:31] i'm all for choice here [22:31] one option is not better than the other inherently [22:31] so do I tiebreak, or are you using your admin powers? [22:31] :P [22:32] well [22:32] though i bet option 2 will be used a lot more [22:32] i'd prefer if kana or faust had somethign to say [22:32] faust and kana here? [22:32] I'm semi here [22:32] hi [22:32] though [22:32] not called for [22:32] wb [22:32] >_> [22:32] u were at dinner =P [22:32] yeah, but i really have nothing to say [22:32] yes [22:32] bah I have not made dinner [22:32] i'll take w/e you guys come up with [22:32] I half made it [22:32] dont complain if you dont change your nick SY o_o [22:32] found out I was missing something [22:33] I just sat down xD [22:33] * Kanashimi is currently not here, please leave a message after the beep [22:33] loool [22:33] * boursk slaps Kanashimi around a bit with a large trout [22:33] you wanna allow nuking above or below faust? [22:33] I am tired. had to run [22:33] no one likes my jokes [22:33] :P [22:33] * SY|dinner goes back to making dinner [22:33] >_> [22:34] ummm [22:36] wait, are you asking me whether we allow someone to choose both or are you asking me to pick one? [22:36] * Kayrhandros goes get a drink (brb) [22:36] both [22:36] allow to nuke bellow or above [22:36] I think that nuking above is already set [22:36] player choses [22:36] yea [22:36] it's just a question if you want to allow nuking below [22:37] yeah, i think we should allow it [22:38] hmmmm [22:39] okay, so it's decided? [22:39] come on, people need to sleep [22:39] not me of course =P [22:40] >.< [22:40] * Kayrhandros takes aim at kei's face [22:40] I'm going to be against nuking below too then [22:40] its settled then [22:41] update the rule to allow it [22:41] oh? [22:41] weren't you against it as well kay? [22:41] oh wait i thought you said you were ok with it [22:41] my eyes are failing me [22:41] <~boursk> I'm going to be against nuking below too then [22:42] it's almost 3am [22:42] ... [22:42] ... [22:42] the "too" probably caught your eye, I guess [22:42] and i got up at 6 [22:42] we can't pass this with 3 votes [22:43] well basically 4, since you voted yourself as well [22:43] well no [22:43] because i only break ties [22:43] loool [22:43] but even if i counted [22:43] that's less than 5 [22:43] okay [22:43] here's what we gonna do [22:43] hold on [22:43] sister's birthday [22:44] make a poll on the club? [22:44] bback in 5 [22:44] blah [22:44] with a mass mail to everyone? [22:44] im gonna go to bed then [22:44] is the scores settled otherwise/ [22:44] ? [22:44] because if that's teh only issue [22:44] we can settle it in teh club [22:44] then i can start registrations moving [22:45] we gotta determine the qualifying anime [22:45] pick a proposal, or offer an alternate [22:45] [22:29] here's my proposal [22:45] [22:29] 1: +500 [22:45] [22:29] 2: -100/-700 [22:45] [22:29] 3: -500 [22:45] [22:30] alternatively, we could do (but the numbers won't be as round) [22:45] [22:30] 1: +450 [22:45] [22:30] 2: -100/-600 [22:45] [22:30] 3: -500 [22:45] is the eligible anime list done? [22:45] why the -100 again? [22:45] -100 to you [22:45] for using it [22:45] why? [22:46] since ur getting a bigger net gain in points [22:46] but gives you a risk [22:46] taht a 3rd person may pull ahead [22:46] so why not make it equal? [22:47] and a third person won't pull ahead if you can't nuke down [22:49] well guys.. im really going to bed now. im ok with the point sets, im just not ok with nuking down. but ill leave that in your hands [22:50] cya tomorrow [22:50] * Kayrhandros has quit IRC (Quit: 12( www.nnscript.com 12:: NoNameScript 4.2 12:: www.regroup-esports.com 12)) [22:50] * Kayrhandros has joined #fal-staff [22:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Kayrhandros [22:50] actually, im ok with the first* point sets [22:50] lol [22:50] i really need some sleep [22:50] =P [22:51] * Kayrhandros has quit IRC [22:51] it all boils down to #1 and #2. if we don't allow nuking you're going to allow or not allow #2 to get a slight point advantage from using the joker. if we're going to allow nuking down, using the joker won't affect #1 and #2 [22:57] [22:46] so why not make it equal? [22:57] [22:47] and a third person won't pull ahead if you can't nuke down [22:57] i think it's better if that possibility exists [22:57] that would be the reason someone would choose option 1 [22:58] what possibility? [22:58] that a third person might pull ahead [22:59] that choosing option 2 would drag both players down [22:59] * Faust721 is now known as Faust721|Shigofumi [22:59] arite i'll put it up for a poll then [22:59] which scoring scheme u prefer? [23:00] it depends on whether we allow nuking below or not [23:01] i see [23:01] go with scheme 1 if nuking below is allowed [23:01] okay, i'll put up a poll [23:01] if not.....hmmmm [23:02] +500, -500/-600 (either one, I can't decide), -500