eg. $msg = $_POST["msg"]; how would I add a \n to the end? you need ASP.net for that erm why would I need ASP to simply add to a string? PHP is a brand new technology you can't expect everything I see thousands of functions but theres not one which can simply add \n to a string ..? you're clearly the first person who has thought of this sorry, this has been forwarded to management o.<> by the way poutine I don't mean actually add \n to the post data if thats what you're thinking I think we should name this brand new concept couldn't I just: $msg \n ? like print "$msg \nNew line"; 'concatenation' sound good? >> it has 'cat' in it poutine ? say I wanted to post data to the same page, then php will check it from there how would I; get it to return no errors and check if ones been submitted eg. if ($usr && $msg) { I'd need to do that and set the variables to use if, right? but if I try to add the variables and it hasn't been submitted (I think), I'll get this; I'm not sure, this seems like banter for theoreticians, not regular chitchat for simple folk like us Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE Wow, how is that impossible??11 This is a major bug of PHP alert the presses ... $fmsg = "By ".$_POST["usr"] . "on" . date(DATE_RFC822) . "-" . $_POST["msg"] . "\n"; whats wrong with that :x nothing, apparently some fool broke PHP before it was released it'll be fixed soon, just keep your code the same SHUT THE HELL UP XoiZ, please don't shoot the messenger * MaoTseTongue (~looking@c-65-34-250-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #PHP * akuCowoBiasa (~demonic@203.78.115.121) has joined #php * akuCowoBiasa (~demonic@203.78.115.121) has left #php is anyone here who can actually help? I got the rest working but now when I try to fwrite, instead of writing to test.txt (which $filename is set to), it writes to testtxt should we send out an amber alert?