note: Anyone who goes tl;dr: dont bother replying. please. otherwise..

When saying any of this, I dont mean to sound arrogant, but when it comes to osx86, I know far more than you would realize.  

r3awak3n wrote:
NoOneButMe wrote:
OverlordXenu wrote:
n00bleader wrote:
macbook?



Shmendrapolk wrote:
p.s.  No, I'm not switching to a Mac.



Why would he pay a premium for a Macbook if he isn't going to run OSX?

Hell, why would anyone pay a premium for a Macbook when they could just Hackintosh their laptop?


Because hackintosh is unusable if your hardware isn't just supported? Because the community for osx86 people is largely compromised of imbeciles who cant think for themselves? Because you're buying crappy hardware and expecting it to run well?



I am not saying i would ever build a hackintosh,if i wanted to run osx i would buy a mac but crappy hardware? You can buy good hardware and build a hackintosh.


I know osx86 much better than you think.  I was highly active in the community from prior to deadmoo up just after 10.4.10 was released.  I remember creating 10.4.1 DVD's from the original pheNIX release, applying Maxxuss' patches to 10.4.1, 10.4.3, 10.4.4 and 10.4.5 in VMWare and then doing a native install of it.  I was in the osx86  hackers irc channel on r-type when 10.4.2 was leaked and they realized it was watermarked.  

I've spent countless hours on concretesurf/win2osx as well as osx86project (when Shuddertrix was in charge. Before sHARD took over, before he got kicked out and way before Mashugly/Jason Swadley sold the site for $75k).  I was good friends with JaS (if you dont know him, you're completely ignorant of osx86 and have no right to insult me), omni (original ATI kext hacking/development), myzar (released a bunch of dvd's under the name "tubgirl") and so on.  The original osx86 hackers that did the groundwork for everything else.  

Before they got driven out of the community by the insanelymac folks.  

I remember the original split between r-type and what later became moofspeak (not to mention the dozens of little arguments while on r-type).  Then the split between moofspeak and osx86.hu  (and the dozens of arguments that were on here).  

I've ran osx86 before semthex, netkas, rufus, and others were able to hack a proper kernel together from xnu sources.  Back before there was QE/CI support, when SSE2 had to emulate SSE3 functions, and there was meaning to "no nx" or "no pae" - I remember when Apple first introduced HPET and that had to be patched.  

If you've ever spent time on osx86 irc back when it was irc.r-type.ca, you should know the nick AppleLegal very well.  If not, go on irc.moofspeak.net, join #osx86 and ask nVidia_user who i am.  or mac-mini or any of the ops in there.  They should remember me.

So believe me when i say this: If your hardware is not among the hardware used by Apple - or very close to it, it will have glitchy support.  If it works, great.  If not, you're fucked and you will never get it working.  Unless you're talented enough to write a driver on your own. Which outside of macVidia (anyone remember that anyway?) , no one has gotten very far at (and thats because the guy had ulterior motives for doing so).

Eggo wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how an Intel quadcore processor or an nVidia 8800GT is considered crappy hardware :-\


It's not crap. Its just the nearly exact hardware apple uses. Which is why it works. And which is why its nearly the same price to build one on your own as it is to buy from Apple.  Back before Apple introduced computers with the 8600 or 8800, there was no 8xxx support.  It's the same thing with 9xxx cards. There wont be any support until Apple decides they need to upgrade and support the g92 platform.  Which might not happen.  

Hardware support on osx86 is defined by what Apple decides to create.  Thats the bottom line that people seem to blindly ignore in favor of running osx on unsupported and potentially unstable hardware. 

When i say the osx86 community is largely composed of imbeciles, i mean exactly that.  There are a few people that know what they're doing.  But they all come and go.  No one continues their work unless it means making new dvd's to make life easier - mostly for themselves.  The patching methods have completely gone from the public; everyone relies on precreated .pkg's and dvd's for everything. Hell, there's no longer even guides for patching osx updates anymore.  The community's gone very far downhill 

-NoOneButMe/AppleLegal