Session Start: Sat Feb 02 18:15:22 2008 Session Ident: z3r0 04[18:15:30] congradukations 04[18:15:33] [18:13:16] <+theswellseason> I'm terrified of z3r0, so if he tells me not to talk about it, I'm not going to talk about it. [18:15:42] wtf [18:15:50] why are people terrified of me 04[18:15:54] hold on [18:15:55] im A NICE GUY 04[18:15:58] lol [18:16:07] i just play tetris 04[18:16:08] [18:12:27] <+theswellseason> jester: z3r0 didn't go apeshit on me, he very calmly warned me not to talk about certain things. [18:16:23] Yes. i did [18:16:28] but i was not scary [18:16:30] i was nice 04[18:16:33] zero all i can say is, when you get past level 30 in tetris, people become afraid of you [18:16:49] bah.. Im a regular old dude 04[18:17:01] lol [18:17:16] to my friends i'm a NICE guy [18:17:23] ask JZ [18:17:24] :) 04[18:17:29] what about your enemies? [18:17:36] im not so nice [18:17:53] i dont know I guess I love the saying. [18:18:01] "Walk softly carry a big stick" [18:18:03] ;) 04[18:18:09] im confused about the whole ordeal 04[18:18:17] people always tell me not to piss zero off [18:18:29] well.. with her.. she is close to several members [18:18:33] i wanted to talk to her [18:18:38] to find out where she is from [18:18:39] so [18:18:45] I had a chat with her [18:18:51] it was friendly [18:18:55] i was not mean [18:18:59] ask anyone [18:19:02] that was there [18:19:05] it was pleasant [18:19:08] she was NICE 04[18:19:13] well, what was the context of the convo? lol 04[18:19:32] you can be the nicest person on earth while talking about raping a dog [18:19:41] I just told her that it would not be cool for her to reveal things that she may have been privy to 04[18:19:53] ohhhh [18:19:55] and that I am a nice guy and dont make me be the bad guy 04[18:19:59] like personal stuff [18:20:01] thats about all I said [18:20:13] i mean i may have said some other stuff also [18:20:17] i dont remember [18:20:19] i was not mad [18:20:22] or upset [18:20:24] it was calm [18:20:34] i just told her the way things are [18:20:43] and not to fuck me over 04[18:20:58] well [18:21:04] srs.. Im a nice guy as long as people are cool with me 04[18:21:16] i dont think she can fuck anyone over to begin with [18:21:20] the three things that make me NOT a nice guy [18:21:24] 1. Liars [18:21:31] 2. Shit Talkers [18:21:41] 3. backstabbers [18:22:04] now on #2 the worst are people like carbon who talk shit and have NO way to back any of it up 04[18:22:06] well [18:22:08] those are the worst 04[18:22:14] lol [18:22:27] then you have people that ASSUME things while talking shit [18:22:32] me [18:22:37] I do my homework [18:22:42] b4 opening my mouth [18:22:58] If someone is a legit threat to MY network you better believe Im gonna walk a fine line [18:23:03] sadly [18:23:05] there is NO one [18:23:16] on this network that fits that profile [18:23:19] no offense 04[18:23:33] what? [18:23:37] there have been a few [18:23:39] imn here.. [18:23:41] and I know who they are [18:23:48] and you better bet im gonna kiss ass 04[18:23:55] kick ass? [18:24:04] cuz you know If I fear them you should as well 04[18:24:17] no i dont know that [18:24:28] the liars thing is my number one pet peeve [18:24:31] i hate liars 04[18:24:40] i really have no clue why i should "fear" certain people in here [18:24:41] if i catch someone in a lie.. i will bury them [18:24:46] well not today [18:24:50] there is no one to fear [18:24:51] well [18:25:03] maybe some of the people in my channel [18:25:06] but me? [18:25:08] im a nice guy [18:25:12] and ur chill with me [18:25:18] :) 04[18:25:23] thanks, i guess 04[18:25:36] im going to keep drinking until everything makes sense though [18:25:55] hmm all this makes sense to me 04[18:25:56] such as why i need to fear certain people 04[18:26:04] thats the main thing [18:26:09] well you dont need to fear anything today 04[18:26:20] well what about in the past? 04[18:26:34] why did some people need to be "feered" 04[18:26:38] *feared [18:26:50] becuase lets just say im middle managememnt in a bigger scene [18:27:04] and there are indeed some VERY scary people out there 04[18:27:42] let me guess [18:27:44] as long as people are chill with me there is no need to be scared of me [18:27:49] im a nICE guy 04[18:27:57] telecom administrators who can turn off your internet? [18:28:03] worse [18:28:04] worse [18:28:11] there are for worse than that 04[18:28:13] government employees? [18:28:18] HAHAHAAH [18:28:19] worse 04[18:28:26] the real hackers? [18:28:32] umm.. [18:28:33] wait.. [18:28:35] hmmm [18:28:37] uhhh 04[18:28:42] lol [18:28:53] do you think I work for a telcom and that ENABLES me to turn of someones internet? 04[18:29:09] what? no that was a random example [18:29:13] ok.. [18:29:14] wow 04[18:29:19] i know some members are bot hearders [18:29:26] none in MY group [18:29:28] BUT [18:29:31] i will say [18:29:33] the things [18:29:36] we have access to [18:29:42] and have seen [18:29:48] would make you shit 04[18:29:50] SS database? [18:29:52] and be VERY scared [18:29:55] anyway.. [18:29:59] there are perhaps [18:30:04] 15-25 people [18:30:07] on the planet [18:30:10] that are the elite [18:30:12] of the elite [18:30:16] and THOSE people [18:30:18] i fear [18:30:22] more than the feds [18:30:26] or anyone else [18:30:38] there are worse things than death [18:30:43] remember that 04[18:30:51] those are the ones who can create criminal records? [18:30:55] WORSE 04[18:31:05] death certificates? [18:31:09] worse 04[18:31:15] ummm [18:31:17] they can destroy your life [18:31:24] lets just leave it at that [18:31:48] while WE can really hurt someones life and perhaps make them VERY sorry.. these people can utterly ruin you 04[18:32:09] empty all your card from banks [18:32:12] WORSE 04[18:32:15] erase your identity? [18:32:18] yes [18:32:20] and more 04[18:32:30] put you in a terrorist dbase? [18:32:33] that too [18:32:37] if they felt like it 04[18:32:51] but why? [18:32:58] well obviously [18:33:02] they dont do this [18:33:04] all the time [18:33:10] however the possability is there [18:33:19] and that is why i respect and fear them [18:33:26] others are clueless [18:33:32] you know [18:33:34] I envy you [18:33:36] I do 04[18:33:42] ignorance is bliss? [18:33:42] I envy alot of you [18:33:44] YES [18:33:48] sometimes [18:33:49] I wish [18:33:58] i never got into ANY of this [18:34:07] i would sleep better at night [18:34:09] and that is why [18:34:12] at the end of 2008 [18:34:14] im gone [18:34:17] retired [18:34:20] DEAD 04[18:34:24] how long have you been in this? [18:34:30] since 1992 04[18:34:36] well then [18:34:53] My mentor is in prison.. and its time for me to pass MY torch to MY protege 04[18:35:07] what did he teach you? [18:35:07] my padawan so to speak [18:35:11] my mentor? [18:35:16] LOTS [18:35:22] taught me the power of information [18:35:24] and how to get it 04[18:35:44] a life mentor? [18:35:47] no 04[18:35:50] or computer menotr? [18:35:53] yes 04[18:36:19] yeah i seem to be the only one within a 500 mile radius who knows just how unsecure everything is 04[18:36:33] i can imagine what he knows [18:36:38] My mentor? 04[18:36:42] and ive only been stufying for 3 years [18:36:45] he knows nothing now.. [18:36:48] hes in prison [18:36:59] and the last thing he told me [18:37:01] was [18:37:16] "Dont Fail, do not make the same mistakes I made" [18:37:32] ive had a good run [18:37:41] 2008 will be my last year [18:37:56] and my knoweldge and access will pass to my protege [18:38:03] thats the way its always been [18:38:22] ive been mentoring him since he was a child [18:38:30] and now HE is ready 04[18:39:02] passing the torch [18:39:05] yes [18:39:11] it will be sad [18:39:14] and JOYOUS 04[18:39:45] interesting 04[18:40:04] i thought goons was a collection of script kiddies only [18:40:15] rofl [18:40:18] good [18:40:20] GOOD [18:40:22] yes [18:40:24] think that [18:40:26] we lke that [18:40:28] like* 04[18:40:32] haha 04[18:40:38] a little smug are we? [18:40:45] not at all [18:40:48] its just comical [18:40:52] we LIKE that image 04[18:41:08] but that attracts a huge following if idiots... 04[18:41:11] *Of [18:41:19] however, im sure you can find people that assumed that as well as later regretted it [18:41:24] and* [18:41:29] following? [18:41:30] sure [18:41:32] of morons [18:41:34] BUT [18:41:36] they are NOT members [18:41:41] keep that in mind 04[18:41:45] ah [18:41:52] becoming a member is a LONG grueling ordeal [18:42:10] you will LOSE everything before ganing anything [18:42:22] do you know we do FULL background checks on prospective members? 04[18:42:33] haha 04[18:42:44] keeps out the riftrafyt 04[18:42:48] *riftraft [18:42:52] that they are examined at a pyschological level as well for profiling purposes [18:43:01] yes odd and paranoid [18:43:05] but for good reasons 04[18:43:09] well that can only be done in person [18:43:22] not true [18:43:31] you know what voice stress analyzers are? 04[18:43:37] ohhh you call them up [18:43:40] you know there is software that does it 04[18:43:42] okay okay [18:43:49] they dont even know its happening [18:43:57] it could be a regular conversation 04[18:44:25] so just random phone calls are screened to determined thier baseline responses to normal, private, and other questions [18:44:33] sure [18:44:37] with the girls [18:44:39] its even harder [18:44:44] they must be broken [18:44:50] we break them down [18:45:05] ohh its not pleasant 04[18:45:13] emotionally? [18:45:16] yes [18:45:25] ask one of our ONLY full female members [18:45:27] MILF [18:45:30] she will tell you [18:45:37] it was the worse thing she has ever gone thru [18:46:16] is this convo between us or is this gonna be copypasta'd all over? 04[18:46:22] just me and you [18:46:26] i value priv8 convos [18:46:32] i would hope so [18:46:33] :) [18:46:38] remember.. [18:46:40] #3 [18:46:43] ;) 04[18:46:45] well i enjoy knowledge [18:46:49] good [18:46:52] you should [18:46:59] knoweldge is POWER [18:47:08] and the more you have the more power you have 04[18:47:29] i would hope sp 04[18:47:31] *so 04[18:47:44] since most people I meet are idiots and stay at dead-end jobs [18:47:53] tru [18:47:57] however 04[18:48:00] and never wonder what life is like down a different path [18:48:05] you ever read Sun Tsu's art of war? 04[18:48:12] lol actually yes [18:48:22] well we ask all members to read it [18:48:25] they dont have to [18:48:34] but its recommended [18:48:50] what does Sun Tsu say about underestimating ones enemy? 04[18:48:53] good book 04[18:49:22] lol sizing the enemy up is the most important thing: you must never underestimate one's enemies [18:49:35] and what does Sun Tsu say about making showing your enemy your tru strength? [18:50:01] Pick your battles [18:50:15] Lull your enemy into getting over confident 04[18:50:17] never show your true strength, force your enemy to show his [18:50:23] CORRECT [18:50:39] as I was saying.. [18:50:47] we LOVE being labeled dumb kids [18:50:49] ;) [18:50:59] so yes. we are all kiddies [18:51:08] so just ddos 04[18:51:08] lol nice 04[18:51:32] but honestly who could enemies of knowledge be? [18:51:33] make sense? [18:51:41] Ahh [18:51:47] everyone wants the knowledge 04[18:51:58] but not everyone knows how to get it [18:52:05] people always wish to take what they have not earned 04[18:52:27] no one wants to work for something 04[18:52:29] err 04[18:52:31] yeah [18:52:31] correct [18:52:45] the knowledge can come in many forms [18:52:49] it can be access [18:52:52] code [18:52:58] a exploit or 0day [18:53:03] INFO on someone or something [18:53:09] it has many forms 04[18:53:35] indeed [18:53:40] Im considering writing a book [18:53:47] i have some AMAZING tales 04[18:53:49] oh? [18:53:52] sure [18:53:59] things right out of movies [18:54:13] there is a war going on right now [18:54:16] did you know that? 04[18:54:20] which one? [18:54:21] as we speak [18:54:25] we are at war [18:54:29] cyber war 04[18:54:33] anonymous? g00ns? [18:54:35] no [18:54:37] yes [18:54:38] us [18:54:40] not you [18:54:41] or anon 04[18:54:45] against the regime? [18:54:48] rofl [18:54:50] they are a joke 04[18:54:52] lol i know [18:54:52] and owned [18:54:54] already [18:55:05] that battle was over before it begabn [18:55:08] began* 04[18:55:14] lol 04[18:55:26] but why are you at war? did they strike you? [18:55:30] who? [18:55:33] regime? 04[18:55:34] no 04[18:55:39] i know about that retardation [18:55:48] we are at war with the system [18:55:56] and we are not the only ones [18:56:02] this is massive [18:56:08] and its never ending 04[18:56:36] you mean goverment? socio-political theatres? censorship? 04[18:56:43] national strifes? [18:56:50] Im talking about things higher [18:56:56] how about culture [18:56:59] the media [18:57:01] society 04[18:57:03] oh the commercialization of the planet [18:57:08] not that just that [18:57:18] you ever hear of Project Mayhem? 04[18:57:28] spare me the fight club [18:57:33] no.. [18:57:34] im srs [18:57:49] pr0j3kt m4yh3m 04[18:57:50] the 'real' project mayhem? 04[18:57:55] nope [18:58:00] look up some time 04[18:58:29] as we speak [18:58:34] the "leetspeak" name is for giggles but the goals and aims are very SRS indeed 04[18:59:15] an anti-infosec movement? [18:59:20] yes [18:59:32] anti-full disclosure [18:59:43] wow [18:59:49] you never heard of any of this [18:59:53] did you? 04[19:00:03] unfortunately no [19:00:13] and you should prolly never speak of it 04[19:00:15] you see im still learning [19:00:27] well learn all you want [19:00:33] why not apply for membership 04[19:00:57] well i need to know what im getting into first [19:01:02] read our [19:01:04] app.. [19:01:06] here.. [19:01:47] So you want to join g00ns? [19:01:47] This is the first step... reading this post. Answer these questions. [19:01:47] Enter the corporations and the commercialization of our playground... [19:01:48] With that came the ISP... [19:01:48] And more than likely, with those two events: YOU CAME TO OUR WORLD. [19:01:48] Were you on the internet before the ISP was born? [19:01:48] If your access were removed tomorrow could you find your way back to our [19:01:48] world without purchasing it? Without begging for it? Without having to read [19:01:48]